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Old 04-22-2011, 06:39 AM
 
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I might be moving to the Northeast Kingdom and would like some input from anyone who lives there, has lived there in the past, or knows something about the area in general. I'm looking for input on Newport, Derby, Holland, Coventry, Irasburg, Troy, and Jay (and maybe a few other outlying areas such as Charleston, Morgan, etc.).

The things I understand: winters are cold and long (I am already accustomed to that) and the property taxes are sky high.

Other than that, I don't know too much.

I do have some major concerns about a potential move to Vermont. I have heard that Vermont is a very liberal state--is this true? If so, I do not like the thought of sky high property taxes--why are high property taxes implemented in Vermont? The political atmosphere concerns me, for I do not understand the mentality of people who elect politicians who raise taxes through the roof on them.

Any feedback and information from personal experience would be much appreciated!
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Old 04-22-2011, 11:58 AM
 
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what is it you are looking for. sky high is relative.

most of the taxes here go to the schools... i forget the breakdown exactly.
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Old 04-22-2011, 02:49 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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The NEK isn't that liberal. But the population centers run the state (into the ground, as you can gather from the high taxes and poor economy...).
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Old 04-22-2011, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Vermont / NEK
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2009 property tax rates by town. Scroll down to Orleans County (http://www.vermontrealestatetoday.com/newsletter/2009effectivetaxrates.pdf - broken link)
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Old 04-22-2011, 08:37 PM
 
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2009 property tax rates by town. Scroll down to Orleans County (http://www.vermontrealestatetoday.com/newsletter/2009effectivetaxrates.pdf - broken link)
Thanks for posting that, great information.
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Old 04-22-2011, 08:41 PM
 
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what is it you are looking for. sky high is relative.

most of the taxes here go to the schools... i forget the breakdown exactly.
Sky high is what I'm seeing in property taxes when looking through the property listings. If someone is paying 3-5k/year in property taxes, that is pretty high imo. I've read a lot of other threads here and there are others who admit the high taxes in Vermont, I just fail to understand why people want the tax so high. Information on pros and cons to this would be great--I'm just not a fan of high taxes and it would determine what i buy in a potential future purchase.
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Old 04-23-2011, 06:25 AM
 
Location: in a cabin overlooking the mountains
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Property taxes pay for the schools, and Vermont has a very high expenditure per pupil compared to other states. The cost of living is high because you're constantly paying through the nose for things that are inexpensive elswhere - high utility rates, high costs to heat your home, high property taxes, income taxes, sales tax. As a result it is expensive for businesses to be lcoated in Vermont, so they in turn pass their high costs on to their customers, so the prices of goods and even groceries are high.

It's a vicious cycle. We are all basically paying to maintain a high number of state employees to administer all these taxes. And there are plenty of people (not all) with money who want it that way. Either that or some voters don't see the connection between voting for politicians who promise state programs and handouts and thus voting for a high maintenence government. The money has to come from somewhere.
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Old 04-27-2011, 05:13 AM
 
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Vermont USED to be a low-tax, hardworking rural Republican state. Over the past decade or two Rich Limousine Liberals from NYC and Boston have moved in and demanded urban services (powerful Teachers Unions, sewers, public water) and taxes have skyrocketed since.

Native hardworking Vermonters have been priced out of the state.

Liberals - yes, the big cities like Burlington have been Hippie Havens since the 1960's, but it was only once all the Big Money Power Mongers from NYC and MA came in that they teamed up and turned Vermont into a socialist state in the name of "fairness" and "environmentalism." Yes, these whackos control the entire state from the cities - and have destroyed the middle / working class NATIVE Vermonters ability to survive.

Same thing in NY - NYC Liberals control the entire state - totally destroyed Upstate with their urban regulations and high taxes.

But, you think $3-$5,000 a year is a lot in property taxes? Try $12,000 a year for a 3-bedroom cape on a 100x150 lot on Long island NY - spending per pupil is over $25,000 a year. Yes, that's right - 25 THOUSAND dollars for each student in my district. That's what you get when you refuse to secure the borders and the locals keep trying (in vain) to keep English and math scores above 60%. It increases $3,000 every year without fail (and yes, I always vote NO on the school budget).
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Old 04-27-2011, 06:21 AM
 
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Thanks for taking the time to respond. I appreciate your knowledge.

I will be looking around in about a week or so and doing my own research in person. I thought there would be more feedback here, as I assume a lot of the people posting in the Vermont category are either from Vermont or have extensive real-life knowledge about it, but there has been minimal activity here. Disappointment, sad to say.

I am hearing a lot of the high taxes and liberal politics involved in the state, so that concerns me a tremendous deal, as a move due to work may be involved here. Things such as a single-payer healthcare system, high taxes (why do people do that to themselves and their community?), and continuance down this path may affect my decision to actually move. I'll have to wait for either more feedback here or elsewhere and take the vibes I get from being in Vermont next week. Thanks to all who are gracious enough to post their thoughts on this.
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Old 04-27-2011, 10:03 AM
 
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Vermont never had high salaries or much of an economy...but it used to have low taxes, cheap housing and little regulation. In the last 20-30 years we've started offering more and more government social services and spending a ton of money on education. Regulations on permitting and building have made building houses extremely difficult so little development occurs, and it makes a development of low priced housing an unprofitable venture because the base costs for a house are high. Thus, developers build higher end housing instead.

The above changes wouldn't be so bad but Vermont government is also hostile to business development and uninterested in infrastructure construction (except when it comes to lip service). With little business development the taxes fall more heavily onto the existing populace and incomes remain stagnant because workers are captive to the few job opportunities available. Other states have similar social services, but they also have the tax base and business environment to support the spending better.

Apparently the majority of the population of the state prefers it this way. There seems to be a attitude of "I got in, now close the door so no one else can."
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