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Old 11-28-2012, 08:24 PM
 
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One train a day from NY to Rutland, how can you tell that's where the drug dealers are coming from?

I lived in Vermont long enough to know the tendency to blame all problems on outsiders.
Well...I'm thinking because when they arrest them like they have been left and right they put their name and address in the paper.

As far as tendency to blame,I think that's pretty universal look at the Florida thread about hating NYers
or many others.
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:43 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Connecting MTR to NY via HSR would be a good goal. I wonder if the Hudson corridor would be better suited for that service.
From Albany south the line needs to be 4 tracked to Croton Harmon , this would cost between 50-100 Million...then the Bridge over the Harlem River needs to be replaced with will happen later this decade. The line south of Albany can handle up to 150mph , North of Albany you'll need a New line...
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:44 PM
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Connecting MTR to NY via HSR would be a good goal. I wonder if the Hudson corridor would be better suited for that service.
The Hudson Line would make more sense though I find this arguement convincing:

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Old 11-28-2012, 10:51 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Actually International lines do very well carrying over a billion or about 5 million a day in Europe...i'm not sure what Alon is on once again out of touch with regional issues...
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Old 11-29-2012, 05:09 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Actually International lines do very well carrying over a billion or about 5 million a day in Europe...i'm not sure what Alon is on once again out of touch with regional issues...
I'm not sure that's a good comparison though. The EU has made Europe essentially open borders, and most of their countries are smaller than many of our states. Here we've got homeland security to deal with (passport at Canadian border), and, quite honestly, while many people go back and forth between the two countries, it's nowhere near the traffic you'd see in Europe.
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Old 11-30-2012, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Live - VT, Work - MA
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I'm in agreement with Chadd on the crime prevention aspect. Conductors aren't police, they will/can do nothing to prevent transportation of drugs etc. via rail. My family is in law enforcement in Hartford and if you think providing a low cost option to connect suppliers with a larger market won't lead to problems, then you are smoking crack with them.

Also, if rail in Vt couldn't catch on along the RT 7 corridor, where in VT can it?

It seems this proposal for heavy rail is taking the approach of answering a question that hasn't really been asked. If there were lines and lines of people driving north/south all week clammoring for a better way to travel from NY/CT to northern VT then maybe it is worth looking at. I just don't believe there are enough people sitting around Milford CT going, "damn, if I could only take a train to Burlington, my life would be exponentially better". At least not enough demand to justify hundreds of millions of dollars in investment.

I'm not totally anti-rail, I just don't see the fit for this.
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:37 AM
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I'm in agreement with Chadd on the crime prevention aspect. Conductors aren't police, they will/can do nothing to prevent transportation of drugs etc. via rail. My family is in law enforcement in Hartford and if you think providing a low cost option to connect suppliers with a larger market won't lead to problems, then you are smoking crack with them.
Yes, I think there's 0 chance it would lead to problems. First, rail isn't really low-cost. Have you checked Amtrak prices?! If it were, the profits of drugs are enormous; a few dollars of transportation costs aren't going to make a difference. If there was a market to transport drugs, there would have been bringing by car already.
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:38 AM
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Actually International lines do very well carrying over a billion or about 5 million a day in Europe...i'm not sure what Alon is on once again out of touch with regional issues...
Unless you think the numbers Alon Levy is wrong, I don't see what your arguement is.
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:54 AM
 
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Yes, I think there's 0 chance it would lead to problems. First, rail isn't really low-cost. Have you checked Amtrak prices?! If it were, the profits of drugs are enormous; a few dollars of transportation costs aren't going to make a difference. If there was a market to transport drugs, there would have been bringing by car already.
Five arrested in connection with crack bust | Vt Today

Five arrested in connection with crack bust

Posted on August 30, 2012 by Darren Marcy | 0 Comments
A drug bust by federal agents and Vermont State Police led to the arrest of five people and the seizure of crack cocaine and a handgun en route to Rutland City on Wednesday.
As part of a continuing investigation of illegal drug trafficking in the city, members of the Vermont Drug Task Force along with federal agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives stopped a vehicle on Route 103 in Clarendon that contained almost 21 grams of crack cocaine.
Police also found a .22-caliber handgun on one of the vehicle’s occupants.
Police arrested all five people in the vehicle, including Rutland residents James Collins, 32, Michael Hurst, 27, Nicholas Louras, 26, and Arabella Babcock, 20, as well as Samuel McGriff, 29, of Catskill, N.Y.
Bail was set at $250,000 for Collins, who uses the street name “J Real” and was the individual in possession of the loaded .22-caliber handgun; $100,000 for McGriff, known as “Twist;” $75,000 for Hurst, AKA “Show or Showtime;” $50,000 for Louras” and $50,000 for Babcock.
All five remain jailed in Rutland pending arraignments in Rutland criminal court today.
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Old 11-30-2012, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Live - VT, Work - MA
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Yes, I think there's 0 chance it would lead to problems. First, rail isn't really low-cost. Have you checked Amtrak prices?! If it were, the profits of drugs are enormous; a few dollars of transportation costs aren't going to make a difference. If there was a market to transport drugs, there would have been bringing by car already.
I'm not sure where to begin with how wrong this line of thinking is. There is already a market. They are already transporting it by car. One of the main ways law enforcement is combatting this is to pay close attention to vehicles with out of state plates containing people who meet the profile.

Providing them with any additional means of transportation connecting suppliers with their market presents problems. Additionally, there is the turf war of rival groups who wish to show a presence in numbers outside of their daily dealings. Trains can and will facilitate that.

The cost of the train is a moot point for these guys. When you are clearing $2000/day tax free do you think the cost of a ticket really causes them to pause and shop for deals?

Again, this isn't really my opinion, it is based more in fact than opinion. Thinking there won't be a problem is just naive based on my experience.
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