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Old 12-22-2012, 02:50 PM
 
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Group hopes to put gun control question on Vt. town meeting ballots *:*Rutland Herald Online

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With town meeting in the offing, the group agreed that the best way for them to reach a large group of people would be to petition to place an article on each town’s warning that asks voters whether they support a ban on assault weapons, large capacity magazines and universalbackground checks on those who want to purchase a gun.
I would hope this backfires as badly as every other attempt to take away our freedom.

 
Old 12-22-2012, 04:49 PM
 
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Group hopes to put gun control question on Vt. town meeting ballots *:*Rutland Herald Online



I would hope this backfires as badly as every other attempt to take away our freedom.

I know the gun controls in NYC make it seem like a Russian gulag.
No freedom to do anything. The most boring city in the world.
Damn those socialist freedom haters. What are they thinking.
 
Old 12-22-2012, 05:57 PM
 
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I doubt such discussions would go anywhere given that our entire delegation receives money from the NRA and most state reps represent areas where hunting is a popular sport.

There is a woman who brings this up every year at our town meeting because she's upset about a gun show that takes place in a public auditorium. I doubt the gun show is going anywhere as it brings in money for the town and the local high school's Project Graduation.

I don't own a gun and don't have a problem with people owning them for self protection and/or hunting or target shooting. But I don't understand the need to have a military-style assault rife or body-armor penetrating bullets or high-capacity magazines.
 
Old 12-22-2012, 08:32 PM
 
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Group hopes to put gun control question on Vt. town meeting ballots *:*Rutland Herald Online



I would hope this backfires as badly as every other attempt to take away our freedom.
No one is taking away anyone's freedom. All rights have limits. You have a right to free speech but you can't yell fire in a theater. Same with gun control. The situation has gotten out of hand. No one needs the types of weapons flooding the gun market unless they're planning on starting a war.

How far do we allow this to escalate? Does the right to keep and bear arms have no limits? Can I keep and bear a rocket launcher or a nuke?

I'm not looking for an argument. I'd just like to know why people think the Second Amendment is the only one that has no limitations.
 
Old 12-23-2012, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Live - VT, Work - MA
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VT has some of the most relaxed laws and relatively low crime rates. Gun control in VT is like answering a question no one asked.

This whole national conversation is a wee bit messy.

I own more than several firearms, all with a purpose, all get used for the most part. I also have a bunch of shovels in my shed, all with a purpose. Sure, firearms in the wrong hands can do plenty of damage; let's spend the bulk of our energy at addressing those hands vs. the inanimate objects. If the AR-15 causes people to kill, then we would have millions dead at this point.

The hard part is that as a nation we cannot have a meaningful discussion around firearms as both sides are so steadfast in their beliefs. I understand the NRAs position of "if you give them an inch they take a mile"......I also think there is some room for discussion on closing loopholes in gun shows to standardize the background checks for all purchases, high cap mags (not that it will really do much) etc. Not sure I agree with limitations, but there should be room for discussion.
 
Old 12-23-2012, 08:18 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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No one is taking away anyone's freedom. All rights have limits. You have a right to free speech but you can't yell fire in a theater. Same with gun control. The situation has gotten out of hand. No one needs the types of weapons flooding the gun market unless they're planning on starting a war.

How far do we allow this to escalate? Does the right to keep and bear arms have no limits? Can I keep and bear a rocket launcher or a nuke?

I'm not looking for an argument. I'd just like to know why people think the Second Amendment is the only one that has no limitations.
Don't Jersey Vermont, as my bumper sticker says.

The SCOTUS said all arms in common use are protected. That includes the ones they want to ban. This isn't a talk about rocket launchers (which are, BTW, legal in VT if registered under the federal NFA). I don't think anyone has suggested we want nukes on the open market, but we're talking guns.

This state would not exist if the government wasn't challenged by the people, which is the purpose of the second amendment and our state constitution's provision.

To date every gun control attempt has failed in this state, there's little support for it, but we must be ever vigilant against it.
 
Old 12-23-2012, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Winter Springs, FL
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No one is taking away anyone's freedom. All rights have limits. You have a right to free speech but you can't yell fire in a theater. Same with gun control. The situation has gotten out of hand. No one needs the types of weapons flooding the gun market unless they're planning on starting a war.

How far do we allow this to escalate? Does the right to keep and bear arms have no limits? Can I keep and bear a rocket launcher or a nuke?

I'm not looking for an argument. I'd just like to know why people think the Second Amendment is the only one that has no limitations.
You can put all the limitations on firearms you want, people will still be killed by people. The AR has gained all the attention from Sandy Hook, but any sicko can do the same with a pistol or hunting rifle. Limiting clip sizes means absolutely nothing. Any clip can be changed in just seconds. As I was pointing out, making these rifles illegal will do little to gaining access to them. As of 2012, there have been close to 4 million sold in the US alone. Then there is the black market. Anything from Automatic AR's to AK's, etc can be purchased. If you look at gang violence in any big US city, they used these illegal automatic weapons. The government tries to control the illegal gun market, but that is like controlling illegal drugs. This is why most police forces are armed with high powered weapons.
I'm not pro or anti firearms. The last time I possessed a rifle was in the military. I think regulations will do little to prevent this from happening again. I think more emphasis should be made on how the weapons are stored or locked.
People are appalled at the appearance of the AR. It has a military appearance, but a 30-06 rifle (typical hunting rifle) could inflict far more harm. I don't think most people would argue that there has been many limitations put on gun control. Not everyone will be totally satisfied. People are looking for the magic law that will end all this nonsense. The problem, mad men don't care about laws.
 
Old 12-23-2012, 09:25 AM
 
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My 90 year old Stevens pump shotgun would be a deadlier weapon fired into a crowd than an AR. 27 pellets of #4 buckshot times 7 shots (if I pull the plug out of it I need when shooting migratory birds) is 189 lead balls total. Imagine at close range the carnage if that, with its barrel cut down, was fired into a huddled crowd of scared people. Just to put the fears over the AR into some perspective. I have no doubt that in under an hour with a welder and some scrap metal, I could turn a 10 round magazine into a 30 round magazine too.
 
Old 12-23-2012, 09:42 AM
 
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Serious question . . .
Why do gun people in Vermont not question state inspection of their vehicles?
How about eminent domain?
This might not seem relevant, but it is germane when bringing supposed "freedoms" into the conversation . . . .
Why are your "freedoms" related to firearms more important than taxation without representation?
When you speak of "freedom", why do you cherrypick only one issue?
It would seem to me if you are truly concerned about "freedom", you would stand up to all unnecessary government oversight.
 
Old 12-23-2012, 10:03 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Serious question . . .
Why do gun people in Vermont not question state inspection of their vehicles?
How about eminent domain?
This might not seem relevant, but it is germane when bringing supposed "freedoms" into the conversation . . . .
Why are your "freedoms" related to firearms more important than taxation without representation?
When you speak of "freedom", why do you cherrypick only one issue?
It would seem to me if you are truly concerned about "freedom", you would stand up to all unnecessary government oversight.
Good points. While the federal government has made a shambles of the First, Fourth and Fifth Amendments, the Second Amendment is the only one held sacrosanct, and usually by those claiming they must have their Second Amendment rights to protect their freedom, while the FIrst, Fourth and Fifth Amendments have already been essentially made "quaint", to borrow a phrase.
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