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Old 01-02-2013, 10:49 PM
Location: Randolph, VT
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As a new resident, I try to keep up with a variety of local news sources (fun to see the same story covered by the Valley News vs. the Argus-Times on the rare occasions they don't just both default to the same national news service).

This post shocked me, and I was curious to see what native/long-term Vermonters had to say about it:
Might as Well Join Canada, We're Already a Colony | Vermont Commons
…to sum up, Canada owns 100% of natural gas, 70% of electricity supply, 100% of large dams, 50% of government deposits and 20% of private deposits in Vermont. Freedom and Unity? We should change it to Dependency and Disunity. But as long as we're owned by Canada, can I have their health insurance?
The natural gas scenario I get: VT not inherently a gas producer. Banking is obviously the perfidious clusterlove that it has always been. That VT dams and water resources were owned not just by out-of-staters but by extra-nationals was news to me.

Curious as to whether VTers in general are aware of the overall situation, whether they care, don't care, whether it is truly an active, "live", political issue or just relegated to the carpings of a few cranks
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Old 01-03-2013, 03:57 AM
Location: The Woods
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Oh boy, you opened a can of worms. It isn't just Canada either, some Arabs have been buying up a lot of motels too. But that Canadian-owned GMP buyout of CVPS is still pretty controversial...
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Old 01-03-2013, 05:23 AM
Location: in a cabin overlooking the mountains
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To say that CVPS was incompetent would be an understatement. And Vermont is trying to pretend that there is no need to generate electricity. Dirty business doncha know. We don't like nukes because they are scary, we don't like wind cos it's bad for birds, we don't like hydro cos it's bad for fish. So there's nothing left but to let someone else generate it and presto! the electricity comes out of those magic holes in the wall. No fuss no muss.
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Old 01-03-2013, 05:42 AM
Location: Live - VT, Work - MA
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As Frugal pointed out, in VT people like to feel good about being "green" or saving the planet but when you dig a little deeper it is a lot of window dressing and "out of sight out of mind" scenarios.

When you factor in one of the only sizeable "industries" supported by the Vt government. tourism, which is also beholden to the Candians in large part, frankly they drive a large portion of VT, whether it is from tourist dollars or from utility prices. Then again, thsi shouldn't be news to anyone who hasn't been living with their heads in the sand.
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Old 01-03-2013, 11:30 AM
Location: Somewhere in northern Alabama
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FWIW, there are NO large dams in Vermont. The closest would be a few on the Connecticut River, which is a smallish river. The St. Johns dams in Canada are huge and were taken by legally stealing native land. IIRC, Bolton Falls dam on the Winooski is a 2 gigawatt unit that can only run part of the time, Waterbury Dam didn't even have generators installed until at least ten years after construction, and so on.

There was debate early on about Vermont's future, which is a large part of why it was an independent country for a short while. From a practical standpoint, the settlers had ties to Connecticut and Boston, it was surrounded on three sides by the U.S., and the eventual outcome was a foregone conclusion.

As for the items mentioned in the article, it missed that until the New England Central, the Central Vermont Railroad was a part of the Canadian rail system, and that much, if not most lumber comes from Canada, and our maple syrup production is a drop in their bucket.

Vermont purposely turned away from industry in the 1930s and has allowed what agriculture there was to die out with the rare exceptions. You live in New England Disneyland.
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