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Old 08-08-2013, 06:02 PM
 
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If somebody gives you 50 acres or more of land in Vermont. What would you do with it to make a living?
Just curious here
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Old 08-08-2013, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Build a house... sit back and breath. Get my hunting license, chop some wood..... barter and trade I spose. Like my Pop said "better learn to live off the land".
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Old 08-08-2013, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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There are so many different types of terrain and micro-climates, it's hard to say without knowing more. What part of the state is it in? Is it mountain land, wooded, pasture? What's it being used for now?
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Old 08-09-2013, 05:52 AM
 
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Let's assume both?
What would you do with mountain land and what would you do with wooded pastured?
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Old 08-09-2013, 06:37 AM
 
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I'd sell it. You'll have to pay property taxes on it if you hold it.
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Old 08-09-2013, 06:56 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Over 25 acres it can go into current use for taxes, but you'll need a forester to write a management plan for forest land.
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Old 08-09-2013, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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It totally depends on where in Vermont.
If those 50 acres were within Greater Burlington you could most likely develop it and make cash that way.
Out in the country? You could farm, but that doesn't bring in much dough.
Like a previous poster I'd just build a house and enjoy the serenity!
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Old 08-09-2013, 10:26 AM
 
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Wow, I think I'm starting to see where the problems are!
Somebody mentioned property taxes? Well of course there is property taxes, where do you think you are? Have you ever lived in some foreign third world country where there's no property taxes? Do you have any idea the kind of hell it is? So you want free roads, free sewage, free county maintenance, but no property taxes? I've simply stopped talking to people like that. Please!

So nobody would actually build a bed and breakfast?
Nobody would try to build a retreat? The theme of the retreat is up to you! It could be a Yoga, meditation, fitness but it doesn't have to be hippy-crunch-granola! Build an NRA retreat, a retreat for some kind of professionals, whatever!
So nobody would try to plant orchards? I mean walnut trees?
You would develop it? You mean build condos on it? Just to cash on it and disfigure it! wow! As they say in the south I'm flabbygutted! ( I think we used to say flabergasted)
I'm slowly starting to realize that Vermont might just be a mirage after all. I now understand better why my friends in Vermont, all natives and all actively involved in land conservation, none making millions by the way, they are teachers, plumbers etc, all complain about the general mentality. Sad. I can't believe what I've read. Develop it, cash it, sell it to avoid property taxes. Well, lady, it's up to you to move your fat ass to see if you could generate income to pay those property taxes.
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Old 08-09-2013, 11:50 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Wow, I think I'm starting to see where the problems are!
Somebody mentioned property taxes? Well of course there is property taxes, where do you think you are? Have you ever lived in some foreign third world country where there's no property taxes? Do you have any idea the kind of hell it is? So you want free roads, free sewage, free county maintenance, but no property taxes? I've simply stopped talking to people like that. Please!

So nobody would actually build a bed and breakfast?
Nobody would try to build a retreat? The theme of the retreat is up to you! It could be a Yoga, meditation, fitness but it doesn't have to be hippy-crunch-granola! Build an NRA retreat, a retreat for some kind of professionals, whatever!
So nobody would try to plant orchards? I mean walnut trees?
You would develop it? You mean build condos on it? Just to cash on it and disfigure it! wow! As they say in the south I'm flabbygutted! ( I think we used to say flabergasted)
I'm slowly starting to realize that Vermont might just be a mirage after all. I now understand better why my friends in Vermont, all natives and all actively involved in land conservation, none making millions by the way, they are teachers, plumbers etc, all complain about the general mentality. Sad. I can't believe what I've read. Develop it, cash it, sell it to avoid property taxes. Well, lady, it's up to you to move your fat ass to see if you could generate income to pay those property taxes.
Most of Alaska has no property taxes and does okay. Your attitude might change if you got a VT property tax bill on a nice piece of property. About the only affordable way to practice conservation of land here is to use the current use program, which only works for agriculture and forestry properties, and forest property will require a forester being involved. The taxes here actively discourage good land stewardship. When the legislature made changes to current use to make it more difficult and expensive to use it, anyone who cared about the land saw it would result in more development of good land into bland mcmansion subdivisions and condos. the Chittenden County nasty sprawl is spreading.

FWIW, walnut trees are nice but they are at the tip of their range here because of the winters and short growing season. They can be difficult to grow here and get reliable crops. Butternuts are better but thanks to global free trade they're being wiped out by an imported canker problem. Apples do great up here.
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Old 08-09-2013, 12:42 PM
 
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Really Alaska does OK? Alaska, maybe, the people I've seen there, they don't seem to be to well! Yes, I'm prejudiced.

What you say about Vermont is disheartening and unfortunately I know it's true.

So under the current use program what could keep anybody from having a farm that is also a bed and breakfast and that also have a building where you can host retreat and all sorts of training seminars?

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