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Old 07-30-2014, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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A traffic circle is a rotary. A roundabout is different.

Traffic circles are circular or elliptical islands, with a central island 300 to 600 feet wide. They are designed for vehicles to enter, merge, circulate, change lanes and exit at relatively high speeds - 30 to 50 mph.

Traffic circles are very large and are designed for high-speed vehicle operation. Roundabouts are designed as small as possible, 16 to 180 feet wide, and operate at 15 mph to 25 mph.

The design of roundabouts forces drivers to slow as they approach them, then limits drivers' circulating and exit speed. It is difficult to pass through a well-designed roundabout above these design speeds.

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A traffic circle and a roundabout are not the same | HeraldTribune.com
Thank you for that explanation. I've seen a few places (not in VT) where the roundabout was used as a traffic calming device. I think it's a great idea.
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Old 07-30-2014, 05:27 PM
 
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Old 08-04-2014, 09:09 PM
 
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Here in Vermont, where roundabouts have been gaining popularity, each entering road has a Yield sign. I would have thought it was obvious, based on the sign, that entering traffic is required to yield to traffic already in the roundabout and usually they do, but I do see the occasional idiot who feels entitled to plow right in.

The Vermont Supreme Court has also had occasion to address whether an exiting vehicle is required to signal for the turn. I read the decision a while ago, but I think the answer was that it's not that clear. I think they found that failing to signal when leaving a roundabout did not give the police probable cause to stop the vehicle.
Funny, I thought they had probable cause these days if you were driving at all. I'm not a real fan of silly traffic stops being use to checkout license/reg/driver.
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Old 08-05-2014, 09:52 AM
 
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The 4-Way stop is my personal hell. I always wind up at one where 3 others have arrived around the same time. They look at each other and no one proceeds to move. Frustrated by the inertia, I pull forward, and with that at least 2 of the other drivers do the same. Everyone then stops. I continue forward as I haven't time for their hokey-pokey.
There's a protocol for them too. Arriving at the same time, the driver on your right has the right away.
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Old 08-05-2014, 09:58 AM
 
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Here in Vermont, where roundabouts have been gaining popularity, each entering road has a Yield sign. I would have thought it was obvious, based on the sign, that entering traffic is required to yield to traffic already in the roundabout and usually they do, but I do see the occasional idiot who feels entitled to plow right in.

The Vermont Supreme Court has also had occasion to address whether an exiting vehicle is required to signal for the turn. I read the decision a while ago, but I think the answer was that it's not that clear. I think they found that failing to signal when leaving a roundabout did not give the police probable cause to stop the vehicle.
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Old 08-05-2014, 10:03 AM
 
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Targo on your points 1 and 2...SOMEONE is going to have to stop and yield. When you have multiple vehicles in the traffic circle and someone wanting to enter, SOMEONE is going to have to stop or a resulting collision is going to occur. I am very mixed on traffic circles and you have to understand they are NOT a common traffic device across the US. Someone not familiar with them is at first going to have some difficulties (off of I-87 in NY state north of Albany there is a city, the name escapes me, that has 4 or 5 of them in close proximity to each other). And people familiar with them have to learn to people NOT familiar with them and have due patience!! Personally I believe that they are good in some applications but they can be overused/employed.
Clearly if their is no available room to MERGE entering traffic will have to stop. That's the "someone".

Clearly many Vermonters get that deer in the headlights look and needlessly stop rather then merge.

IMO much of the "difficulty" many people have when driving is not knowing the rules of the road and not paying attention.
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Old 08-05-2014, 08:37 PM
 
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There's a protocol for them too. Arriving at the same time, the driver on your right has the right away.
The problem is when nobody actually really knows who arrived first. I normally do, but it seems other people get a little confused. Then again they probably think the same about me.
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Old 08-06-2014, 06:49 PM
 
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Targo on your points 1 and 2...SOMEONE is going to have to stop and yield. When you have multiple vehicles in the traffic circle and someone wanting to enter, SOMEONE is going to have to stop or a resulting collision is going to occur.
The vehicles that are suppose to yield are the ones wanting to enter the traffic circle. They simply have to wait until there is an opportunity to enter the circle.
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Old 08-11-2014, 02:22 PM
 
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There's a protocol for them too. Arriving at the same time, the driver on your right has the right away.
Yes, there is. Sadly, many have forgotten the minutiae we learned in drivers ed.

Then there's the conundrum: 4 people arrive at the 4-way stop at the same time. Which driver is the right driver on the right?
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Old 09-20-2014, 06:37 PM
 
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Then there's the conundrum: 4 people arrive at the 4-way stop at the same time. Which driver is the right driver on the right?

That situation is perhaps the most baffling of all to many as it requires common sense at that moment.
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