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Old 01-15-2015, 06:59 PM
 
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Well, I arrived in Vermont as a single parent and got a job paying $31,000 (adjusted 2014 dollars), which was just barely livable wage for that size and kind of family, was able to build our home on some cheap land and eventually get a better job which made it possible for the kid to go to college, all the while enjoying life in a "very expensive state." Never occurred to me that Vermont was too expensive to live in.

Then maybe you should change your posts, because you are the one who originally brought the costs of living in Vermont into the discussion. Try to follow along...

 
Old 01-17-2015, 06:44 AM
 
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Then maybe you should change your posts, because you are the one who originally brought the costs of living in Vermont into the discussion. Try to follow along...
I can't discuss things with people who don't read the data.
 
Old 01-17-2015, 09:12 AM
 
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I can't discuss things with people who don't read the data.

Then we're even because I can't discuss things with people whose discussions don't revolve around their own "data."


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Even though it's only the first day, I can tell this is going to be a boring course.

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Genetic Fallacy: This conclusion is based on an argument that the origins of a person, idea, institute, or theory determine its character, nature, or worth. Example:
The Volkswagen Beetle is an evil car because it was originally designed by Hitler's army.

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Filthy and polluting coal should be banned.

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If you were a true American you would support the rights of people to choose whatever vehicle they want.

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The level of mercury in seafood may be unsafe, but what will fishers do to support their families?

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Straw Man: This move oversimplifies an opponent's viewpoint and then attacks that hollow argument.
People who don't support the proposed state minimum wage increase hate the poor.

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Moral Equivalence: This fallacy compares minor misdeeds with major atrocities.
That parking attendant who gave me a ticket is as bad as Hitler.
 
Old 01-17-2015, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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Ok. this thread has gone off topic and turned into a bicker fest.
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