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Old 01-26-2015, 01:39 PM
 
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Black flies live in the soil and become active when it thaws. They can't bite through clothing, so wear long pants and long-sleeved shirts. They will occasionally fly up sleeves and pants legs, so tucking cuffs into your socks or gloves helps also. You can buy a hat with netting (like beekeepers), but few do. Bug juice and a large-brimmed dark hat will keep them off your face and neck. They apparently are attracted to the glistening of moisture, and the brim helps keep the sunlight from bouncing off your eyes.

The bite is irritating and gets more intense as well as lumpy when you scratch it. Eventually you learn to ignore the bite, and it dissipates in about two days. Scratch it, and it will irritate you a lot longer than that.

They pretty much disappear from normally dry soil about mid-June. That's the good news.

June is when the deer flies come out, but they're not as bothersome.
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Old 01-29-2015, 05:39 PM
 
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Well, I am from Oklahoma and we have a lot of dirt roads and a lot of rain. So, mud season might be bothersome but something I am definitely used to living here. At least those roads look well taken care of...some around here takes some nifty maneuvering to get around that is for sure. Gas here is about 45 cents cheaper right now. That is to be expected we are always cheaper than up North. Getting around without a car really wouldn't be an option. Though, being in a small town we would probably use it much less than here I am sure. Here, even though we are live in the town of Claremore, it is much more rural. The kids school is literally plopped in the middle of the country about 8 miles from our house. The town itself is really too big to let your kids walk to and from, at least for our comfort. We have about 75 trains a day come through town and traffic is pretty heavy. Even though the town isn't huge much bigger than we are looking for once we move. We like the idea of possibly living close enough for kids to walk to school safely, the library or a park possibly with friends.

We are definitely wanting a place to start over from the horrible year and a half we have had. Meet some nice people, enjoy the community and festivals and things like that. Enjoy the outdoors and the beautiful scenery. We do not require much, a decent affordable and safe place to live, ok enough job for now, and DSL...lol. We don't have cable so we have DSL. Just somewhere we can become a part of the local community and enjoy what you all already enjoy. However, we are realistic. I have read some threads where it does not seem people are very realistic in expectations.

Is there a lot of local photographers? I am a photographer I do not do it full-time but this could be a viable option for some income as well. Just curious, here anybody with a camera call themselves a photographer, just wondering if that is every where!

How are the doctors in the area? Also, is there an Oncologist near your area as well?Or would it be a travel time to a specialist like that? and the local hospital? If you all don't mind giving us some information on that, these are very important as well.

Also, we have something in Oklahoma called the Oklahoma Promise. It is something you can apply for your children that if they graduate with a certain GPA and your parents make under a certain amount of money you can go to any state univeristy for 4 years free. I was wondering if Vermont had any type of program similar? My hope is that when our oldest son graduates in three years he gets an academic scholarship but I was just wondering.

I am not too worried about the bugs, I know it surely has to be better than here and black flies, mosquitoes or deer flies have nothing on Oklahoma chiggers! You have to take a bleach bath to get rid of them!
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Old 01-29-2015, 07:49 PM
 
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I'm not well informed on the arts scene, but you could probably do an internet search on Vermont art galleries to see what's up in the field of photography. In my town (about 3,900 people), there are a couple of photographers who peddle their work in the local art gallery. I would imagine contacting towns' art and historical societies would also be helpful. I have a feeling it's just a matter of shooting and showing your work around. When I think of making an income off it, I think of note cards and calendars. I don't know if there are any portrait photographers in this area-- just the travelers who come in a shoot the school yearbook stuff.

If you get used to walking a mile, you will probably find a house that will be convenient to schools and stores. Towns here are probably a lot more compact than they are in Oklahoma, since we have hills that constrained sprawl. The neighborhood I live in has the shopping plaza, three schools, five churches and the downtown all within one mile. That doesn't mean any of us walk, though, because hills tend to discourage us! However, my kid did walk to to of those schools--elementary and middle school.

I used to deal professionally with a lot of primary care physicians around this area, and they were invariably good people, very concerned and very professional, almost always willing to go above and beyond the call of duty for their families. I believe most of the docs here are allopaths, as opposed to naturopaths, homeopaths and osteopaths, etc. The biggest (and possibly most extensively staffed) hospital is in Burlington, but Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Center and Albany (NY) Medical Center serve a huge number of Vermonters. One-third of DHMC's clientele are Vermonters, I've heard.

However, that was a decade ago. As you focus in on a town, you should be able to get more germaine input. Vermont colleges do give Vermont students a tuition break, but as my son went out of state, I never found out how it worked.

If you've had to deal with chiggers, you definitely won't have a problem with black flies!

Oh-- car rust. Not a problem in Oklahoma, but up here a lot of us have our cars oil undercoated every fall. You'll want to look into that.
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Old 01-30-2015, 06:21 AM
 
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I'm not well informed on the arts scene, but you could probably do an internet search on Vermont art galleries to see what's up in the field of photography. In my town (about 3,900 people), there are a couple of photographers who peddle their work in the local art gallery. I would imagine contacting towns' art and historical societies would also be helpful. I have a feeling it's just a matter of shooting and showing your work around. When I think of making an income off it, I think of note cards and calendars. I don't know if there are any portrait photographers in this area-- just the travelers who come in a shoot the school yearbook stuff.

If you get used to walking a mile, you will probably find a house that will be convenient to schools and stores. Towns here are probably a lot more compact than they are in Oklahoma, since we have hills that constrained sprawl. The neighborhood I live in has the shopping plaza, three schools, five churches and the downtown all within one mile. That doesn't mean any of us walk, though, because hills tend to discourage us! However, my kid did walk to to of those schools--elementary and middle school.

I used to deal professionally with a lot of primary care physicians around this area, and they were invariably good people, very concerned and very professional, almost always willing to go above and beyond the call of duty for their families. I believe most of the docs here are allopaths, as opposed to naturopaths, homeopaths and osteopaths, etc. The biggest (and possibly most extensively staffed) hospital is in Burlington, but Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Center and Albany (NY) Medical Center serve a huge number of Vermonters. One-third of DHMC's clientele are Vermonters, I've heard.

However, that was a decade ago. As you focus in on a town, you should be able to get more germaine input. Vermont colleges do give Vermont students a tuition break, but as my son went out of state, I never found out how it worked.

If you've had to deal with chiggers, you definitely won't have a problem with black flies!

Oh-- car rust. Not a problem in Oklahoma, but up here a lot of us have our cars oil undercoated every fall. You'll want to look into that.
Great, thank you. I do mostly portrait photography here, my heart lies with the artistic side of it, however, senior pictures, maternity, newborn, kids, families, etc. I'll look into it.

RUST! Yes, thank you for reminding me, Colorado has that problem as well with all the salting sand mixtures that go down on the roads. I laugh when the sand trucks get out in Oklahoma...so useless most of the time. You have NEVER seen a sight like that of Wal-Mart when a snowflake falls outside in Oklahoma. It is like the apocalypse just took place!

Thank you for the doctor information that gives me names and directions to look into the ones you mentioned.

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Old 01-30-2015, 06:55 AM
 
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I can't believe I haven't chimed in on this thread yet as I know the St. J (as locals call it) area pretty well.
Jenks Studio in St. Johnsbury is a long standing photography business.
Also, yes...there are lots of people with fancy cameras who call themselves photographers with no formal training. You are going to find this everywhere!
St. J is small (7500 people or so) economically struggling community. Honestly, IMO, if it were not for the Academy the town would be worse off than it is. Aside from the Academy the largest employers in town are the St. J School District, the hospital, the prison and EHV Weidmann. Otherwise, it's mostly a service economy - banks, insurance agents, shops, restaurants, auto mechanics etc.
The Academy is a phenomenal school. I have no doubt that your kids will like it. It is not uncommon for people to move to StJ for the sole purpose of sending their kids to the Academy.
As for arts, St. J has a decent scene. Catamount Arts is in town bringing lots of great acts to town. The Atheneaum (public library) has a beautiful art gallery. Lyndon State College is up the road in Lyndonville and often has concerts, plays etc.
Shopping - you've got Price Chopper and White Market for grocery stores. Natural Provisions and St. J Food Co-Op for natural and organics. The Farmer's Market operates year round for your local produce/meats. There is a (very) small mall with a JCPenney. Walmart, Home Depot, etc are about 20 minutes away in Littleton NH. Downtown St. J has a nice small bookstore, a new great bar/restaurant (Kingdom Taproom), Sunshine Boutique (clothing/jewelry) and a couple other "gift" type stores. There is also a small movie theater downtown.
Northeastern Vermont Regional Hospital (NVRH) is in the northern part of town and is your typical small town hospital. It is affiliated with Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Center. For anything serious you are sent down to Dartmouth (an hour away). There is now a cancer center in town so cancer patients no longer have to travel to Dartmouth for radiation/chemo treatments.
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Old 01-30-2015, 07:23 AM
 
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Meant to add the paper of record for the area:
The Caledonian-Record - St. Johnsbury, VT
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Old 02-09-2015, 05:39 PM
 
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Meant to add the paper of record for the area:
The Caledonian-Record - St. Johnsbury, VT
Thank you, I have looked in the paper and on Craigslist so far. Do all the homes for rent belong to some rural edge housing development. It is kind of irritating to say the least. You go to the website and it says there are waiting lists. So this makes no sense and I just want to rent something, everything I click on has some kind of requirement like this.

I am thinking of just planning a quick trip to look around. Is there somewhere in particular near St. J area to stay or would it be better to stay in say Montpelier and somewhere like that?

I know around here a lot of houses are not listed online but with real estate companies or you just literally have to drive around. Is this the case?

Also, if we lived in a town that had the vouchers for St. J do they bus the kids there? Or do we have to drive them?

I think that is it for this go around.
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Old 02-09-2015, 06:22 PM
 
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The Comfort Inn in St. Johnsbury is nice. That is where we stay when we go over there.
Not sure about rentals...can't help you there.
As far a the bus situation...again...not sure. Might be worth a call to the school district office in the various towns that send their kids to the Academy to see.
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