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Old 04-01-2015, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Was a LE officer in Vermont for several different agencies once upon a time years ago. Of all the exceeding speed limit tickets I wrote (which wasn't a lot) I never wrote for less than 10 over UNLESS it was in an active school zone with children present. Wrote a HELL of a lot of warnings. That said, an LE officer is NOT required by any law to give speeders a margin, but does, do to factors like discrepancy in radar reading and actual speed. You need to go to traffic court (if VT does traffic court like it used to) and explain yourself to the hearing officer (judge). The officer hears BOTH sides. It costs NOTHING. Then, if you still aren't satisfied you can request a trial with a lawyer. Remember, whatever you do, check the appropriate box on the ticket copy you return and send it in within the time limit or you will be found guilty by default. Vermont does NOT do things traffic-wise the way a lot of states do. I always stay within 5 mph of posted speed because I know there is little chance of being stopped. As far as the poster that posted about being ticketed for the yellow light, it is NOT iffy. Vermont law states that you are NOT to enter the intersection when the light turns yellow except to stop and make right turn. If you are already in, that's one thing. Doesn't matter if there is any other traffic present. Don't think it matters if you are out-of-state. Have stopped as many, if not more, bad Vermont drivers as out-of-staters. Out-of-staters just tend to be more flagrant when they do break the law.
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Old 04-01-2015, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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As far as the poster that posted about being ticketed for the yellow light, it is NOT iffy. Vermont law states that you are NOT to enter the intersection when the light turns yellow except to stop and make right turn. If you are already in, that's one thing.
Oops. I stand corrected! Thank you for clarifying this.
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Old 04-01-2015, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Somewhere in northern Alabama
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"As far as the poster that posted about being ticketed for the yellow light, it is NOT iffy. Vermont law states that you are NOT to enter the intersection when the light turns yellow except to stop and make right turn."

So you are claiming that if a traffic light is green, I am 100' from the intersection going at a posted speed of 35mph, and the light turns yellow, I am supposed to immediately break the 1/5th second recognized nerve response time AND the laws of physics in order to keep from getting a ticket. You might have worked in law enforcement, but I suspect that you are either not telling the entire story or the state of Vermont has entered a different universe.
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Old 04-01-2015, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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yellow light is when I floor it.










april fools! we don't actually have any traffic lights.
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Old 04-01-2015, 11:16 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA & Sharon, VT
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"So you are claiming that if a traffic light is green, I am 100' from the intersection going at a posted speed of 35mph, and the light turns yellow, I am supposed to immediately break the 1/5th second recognized nerve response time AND the laws of physics in order to keep from getting a ticket. You might have worked in law enforcement, but I suspect that you are either not telling the entire story or the state of Vermont has entered a different universe.
If that situation arises, then it's because the yellow is deliberately timed too briefly. The yellow should last long enough that someone travelling at the speed limit can react and safely stop (not have to stomp on the brakes) before the light turns red. (And in that instance, anyone closer to the light than that, and travelling the speed limit, can make it through without breaking the law.) If there's a light with too brief a yellow, and I got a ticket, I'd challenge that one in court. Film the light in action, compare it to the reaction and stopping time for the posted speed limit, and make a stink.
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Old 04-01-2015, 02:11 PM
 
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yellow light is when I floor it.










april fools! we don't actually have any traffic lights.

haha
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Old 04-02-2015, 07:55 AM
 
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Clearly, the law doesn't require officers to give drivers a margin, however, I think it is still a smart thing to do for two reasons:

First, if you're busy writing a ticket for someone that went 7 over, then you might potentially miss a "bigger fish" going 25 over.

The second reason is as Dan mentioned the discrepancy. I remember once I don't remember what country it was in, but wasn't anywhere in the US, that they took it to trial and they actually found that if they aimed it at a building the building was supposedly moving. So it's better to play it safe and give a bit of a leeway. I normally stick to 5 over in city limits where the speed limit is 25/35/45, I don't go over 30/40/50. On the freeway or where it's 55/65 I would sometimes hit 65/75.
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Old 04-02-2015, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I use, if possible, the cruise control to keep my speed up on the expressways (7 to 10 over posted) and down (at or a bit under) in the small towns. This has worked so far.
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Old 04-02-2015, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Somewhere in northern Alabama
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Was a LE officer in Vermont for several different agencies once upon a time years ago. Of all the exceeding speed limit tickets I wrote (which wasn't a lot) I never wrote for less than 10 over UNLESS it was in an active school zone with children present. Wrote a HELL of a lot of warnings. That said, an LE officer is NOT required by any law to give speeders a margin, but does, do to factors like discrepancy in radar reading and actual speed. You need to go to traffic court (if VT does traffic court like it used to) and explain yourself to the hearing officer (judge). The officer hears BOTH sides. It costs NOTHING. Then, if you still aren't satisfied you can request a trial with a lawyer. Remember, whatever you do, check the appropriate box on the ticket copy you return and send it in within the time limit or you will be found guilty by default. Vermont does NOT do things traffic-wise the way a lot of states do. I always stay within 5 mph of posted speed because I know there is little chance of being stopped. As far as the poster that posted about being ticketed for the yellow light, it is NOT iffy. Vermont law states that you are NOT to enter the intersection when the light turns yellow except to stop and make right turn. If you are already in, that's one thing. Doesn't matter if there is any other traffic present. Don't think it matters if you are out-of-state. Have stopped as many, if not more, bad Vermont drivers as out-of-staters. Out-of-staters just tend to be more flagrant when they do break the law.
I had to go back and research this, because you didn't respond. You lied.

Running Red Lights and Stop Signs in Vermont | DrivingLaws.org

The “Yellow-Light Rule” in Vermont

"In Vermont it is not illegal to deliberately drive through a yellow light. A yellow light means only that traffic facing the light is “warned” that a red light will soon follow. As long as your vehicle entered the intersection or passed the crosswalk or limit line before the light turned red, you haven’t broken the law. "

Vermont Driver's Manual:
http://dmv.vermont.gov/sites/dmv/fil...nse_Manual.pdf
Yellow Light: This light warns drivers that the light is about to turn red. If you are too close to the intersection to stop safely, proceed with caution through the intersection.

Perhaps you meant "red light" and were having a bad day?
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Old 04-02-2015, 08:23 PM
 
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I suspect an attorney could get that tossed. It would cost bucks for the attorney, but you would make it back because your insurance rates wouldn't go up. A hint - for less than $50 you can buy a dashcam and PROVE your points in court. If you were indeed in a line of traffic, there could be other arguments, such as not impeding the flow of traffic.
wouldn't not impeding the flow of traffic only be relevant if you were going the speed limit? Say, if the speed limit is 35 and everyone is going 35-40 and you're going 25, you're impeding the flow. But, if others are going 45 and you're going 35, I don't think an argument could be made there as they are the ones breaking the law.

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If that situation arises, then it's because the yellow is deliberately timed too briefly. The yellow should last long enough that someone travelling at the speed limit can react and safely stop (not have to stomp on the brakes) before the light turns red. (And in that instance, anyone closer to the light than that, and travelling the speed limit, can make it through without breaking the law.) If there's a light with too brief a yellow, and I got a ticket, I'd challenge that one in court. Film the light in action, compare it to the reaction and stopping time for the posted speed limit, and make a stink.
How would the length of the light help you if you are already close to the intersection when it turns yellow? You have the choice to either stop within 2 seconds and kill your brakes(and perhaps cause an accident) or just keep going. I don't know about you, but I keep going.
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