Why Do People Leave Vermont? (Burlington, Johnson: homes, rent, income)

[harborlady]

I was just really really cold. I didn't mean to offend anyone. I like the postcards better.

[chaz longue]

Originally Posted by sheera05148

I think Vermont is a communist state. Their media smokescreen for being considered liberal is just that, a smokescreen. It is very communistic in their day to day living. The state is run with an ironfist, so in order to live here, you have to be squeaky clean, especially if your a social misfit of any kind. (Gay, druggee, drunk, etc....) Please, beware of their communist and ironfist ways of running the government, police, towns. Vermont is not what it appears to be through their media exposure. They bend the real information in hopes of bringing people in. No jobs, no commuting solutions, just a bunch of bullcrap. Please beware, anyone who is thinking of moving or visiting here.

Thanks for the words of wisdom, sheera.

[MRVphotog]

Wow, haven't checked this thread for awhile...took me awhile to stop laughing.

A communist state...run with an iron fist? I guess living in a state that has town meetings every year where any resident can have input on how their town is run must be how communist countries operate. Those town meetings they must have in China(it's a communist country after all) must be huge with the billions of people living there.

If Arel hasn't been totally scared away by this thread she must be one tough cookie.

With a 27% national approval rating, the lowest ever, there are alot of folks around the country who would like Bush arrested. Looks like the folks in Bratt are just ahead of the curve. Just saying.

[OhBeeHave]

I tend to get my communism and socialism a bit confused....if Vermont were a communist state, does that mean that maple syrup would be a scarce commodity, horded by the party elite, or does that a passel of citizens get a ration of maple syrup from State run farms?

hmmmmm...

Looks like I'll go into black market syrup running.

[Lilybeans]

Originally Posted by sheera05148

I think Vermont is a communist state. Their media smokescreen for being considered liberal is just that, a smokescreen. It is very communistic in their day to day living. The state is run with an ironfist, so in order to live here, you have to be squeaky clean, especially if your a social misfit of any kind. (Gay, druggee, drunk, etc....)

Other than being gay, if you don't do those things that make you a social misfit, you won't BE a social misfit. Grow up, clean up your act, and act like an adult. You know what happens? You get treated like one.

[babelsgp]

Originally Posted by MRVphotog

Wow, haven't checked this thread for awhile...took me awhile to stop laughing.

A communist state...run with an iron fist? I guess living in a state that has town meetings every year where any resident can have input on how their town is run must be how communist countries operate. Those town meetings they must have in China(it's a communist country after all) must be huge with the billions of people living there.

If Arel hasn't been totally scared away by this thread she must be one tough cookie.

With a 27% national approval rating, the lowest ever, there are alot of folks around the country who would like Bush arrested. Looks like the folks in Bratt are just ahead of the curve. Just saying.

So funny! Because I was on another forum where someone said Vermont is a communist state and my reply was, we have town meetings, we vote on practically everything you can possibly vote for, and everything is public knowledge. In my limited knowledge of states and how they do things (Virginia, Maryland, Missouri, Florida & Texas) MOST states do NOT give you the day off to discuss things as important as WHERE YOU LIVE! Not only that but they do NOT PUBLISH, the town's finances and then put them in the town paper so EVERYONE knows what is spent where. I truely FAIL to see how this is communist, unless I fail to understand the meaning of communism.

Again I think I could rewrite a whole thread on why people should stay here. I was commenting to my sister that I think Vermont is neat because it is so self sufficient, that if something happened to the rest of the country, people here would be fine. And she replied, that Texas would be too, I laughed. My uncle was in the room and replied, "good, stay there!" I think that sums it up.

[flu189]

Vermont being flown blown communist, not even close. Feeling the effects of perhaps well intentioned and misguided socialist agenda, yes, this can be shown to be true in some cirumstances. Having had the benefit of being raised by parents that lost family members and ALL of their personal possessions by having had the misfortune of falling under real communist occupation, and in the case of my mom twice in two sepatare countries, it is important to maintain a clear distinction of the effects communism and socialism have had on countless millions. I guess the greatest blessing we can count on is that if Vermont politically and economically becomes too oppressive and stressful for some folks to tolerate then you at least can rest assured that you can sell your home, pack your possessions, and voluntarily choose on when and where to relocate. This also applies to business and investment capital as well, totally free to choose and leave, so for the true socialist and anti-capitalist believers your dream may come true afterall.

[mustmove]

flu189- well said. Wish I could take a swing at socialism with such diplomacy. Ah well, we'll get to see how socialism works out again at least on a small state scale. Note this from Vermont Tiger: '...legislators Obuchowski and Botzow floated J.R.H. 68 which called for every insurance company, health care facility, financial institution and utility, regulated or not, to freeze prices for one full year...'
I know folks round here claim VT is no more liberal than anyplace else, sure whatever.

[flu189]

Originally Posted by mustmove

flu189- well said. Wish I could take a swing at socialism with such diplomacy. Ah well, we'll get to see how socialism works out again at least on a small state scale. Note this from Vermont Tiger: '...legislators Obuchowski and Botzow floated J.R.H. 68 which called for every insurance company, health care facility, financial institution and utility, regulated or not, to freeze prices for one full year...'
I know folks round here claim VT is no more liberal than anyplace else, sure whatever.

Regarding today's Vt Tiger, Rich Tarrant, like him or not, penned a column which was pretty straight forward and a good read concerning business climate and our legislature. Even before reading this column one of my favorite quotes is by Winston Churchill, "The multitudes remained plunged in ignorance of the simplest economic facts, and their leaders, seeking their votes, did not dare to undeceive them." I sincerely wish the best of luck and health to those that will remain here indefinately and to those who seek to come here and live their dream. I'm far from an alarmist, but I just don't see us here from four to five years from now. Approaching a stage of life where I would like to take an earlier than standard retirement in terms of age (LE and military really takes a toll) and live off of of savings and a pension, I don't find a wide range of positive indicators to remain here. The outdoors has and will remain a major part of my life, but there fortunately are many other locales better suited to be more secure and comfortable in terms of finances.

[JimmyLane]

Originally Posted by vter

I left Vermont after college. Having grown up here, I wanted to broaden my horizons and live in a real city.

What rubbish. As if to say Burlington lacks the high brow culture for this pedigree.