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Old 09-01-2017, 04:00 PM
 
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Someone mentioned on another site that they had lived in both upstate NY and VT and that the two had significantly different cultures. Has anyone else found this? And, if so, how do they differ? I grew up in the Albany area, but have always been drawn to VT. Now that we're thinking of moving back to the northeast, I'd like some general perspectives on the two. Obviously, being in the VT forum, the responses will probably be skewed. Skew away.
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Old 09-01-2017, 05:23 PM
 
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They do, IMO, have a different "feel" to them. One biggie is that Vermont does not allow billboards. It really is amazing how much billboards mar the landscape IMO. Drive across Route 4 from Fort Ann to Vermont and you'll really notice it.
I'm most familiar with the I-87 corridor north of Glens Falls. That part of NY seems more economically depressed to me, especially the Adirondacks. Whether or not that is true, I'd need to look at the data..but that is the feeling I get.
Outside of Adirondack park it seems as though land development is much easier in NY than in VT. VT has stringent development laws, in big part to protect our "look".
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Old 09-01-2017, 06:33 PM
 
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The biggest difference is governmental if you ask me. NY State is a massive bureaucracy that micromanages every aspect of life relative to Vermont's comparatively small govt. presence. For example, my next door neighbors are looking to build a house near (not on) Lake George a hour from here, and the permitting process is taking about a year and $20,000. My son is building a house here and all he needed to do was submit the septic plan to the State and get a building permit from the town. No delays, no hassles, and little expense.

Another big difference is NY is anti-gun whereas VT is gun friendly.
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Old 09-01-2017, 11:17 PM
 
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It depends on how sensitive you are to relatively minute differences.

If you are from one of the two areas and never left, never traveled, the other is apt to seem like foreign country with bizarre cultural practices and a language, that while intelligible, has a distinctly odd cadence and rhythm.
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Old 09-02-2017, 01:45 PM
 
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The biggest difference is governmental if you ask me. NY State is a massive bureaucracy that micromanages every aspect of life relative to Vermont's comparatively small govt. presence. For example, my next door neighbors are looking to build a house near (not on) Lake George a hour from here, and the permitting process is taking about a year and $20,000. My son is building a house here and all he needed to do was submit the septic plan to the State and get a building permit from the town. No delays, no hassles, and little expense.
This is interesting. My uncle built a house on property he had bought years before in Saratoga County, and he also had huge hoops to jump through (plus several lawsuits to skirt from "concerned" neighbors). In the end, it worked out, but it was a huge hassle and sucked up years (as well as ridiculous amounts of money).
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Old 09-02-2017, 05:11 PM
 
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This might be a little sticky, but I think the woman I was talking to online may have been talking about the differences culturally. Like, in mind-set, helpfulness, courtesy, etc. (keep in mind, I grew up in upstate NY, so no one would be saying anything I didn't already know. Or would be offended by. ).

Living in VA, I notice a big difference in the people--most notably, and oddly, when I have to deal with government agencies. In NY, if they even picked up the phone, government employees were mostly unhelpful, cranky, etc. I have to say, in VA, these people are delightful. They're helpful, they're pleasant, they actually do what you need them to. I don't actually notice the same difference in my neighbors, etc. but dealing with people on the phone is HUGE.

My husband (who came from the south) didn't find the people in NY particularly pleasant. I never actually noticed until he pointed it out, but I notice it now on trips back up north. The aggressive drivers are almost always from NY or NJ. I see way fewer VT drivers, overall, but the few I do see don't seem so...offensive.

Does anybody have any insights into this they're willing to share?
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Old 09-02-2017, 06:05 PM
 
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Isabella, I would say that folks in Vermont are generally pretty laid back.

My son-in-law in NC still talks about a visit here a few years back. He stopped at a little country store and when he went to buy something with a credit card he found out they didn't take credit cards. When he said he'd be back later with cash, the store owner said just take the item now and pay me later. My SIL is originally from the Boston suburbs and now lives in suburban NC and it floored him that they'd trust a perfect stranger from out of state that they had never met.

My SIL also has commented many times on just how nice people are up here compared to where he is from and where he lives now.
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Old 09-02-2017, 06:20 PM
 
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Okay, this makes me happy. Vermont is definitely starting to take the lead over NY...
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Old 09-02-2017, 08:23 PM
 
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Isabella, something that I personally like about the culture here is the live and let live approach to things. Old Yankee types get along with the old hippies, nobody cares what church you belong to or whether you belong to one at all, nobody cares whether you are gay or straight, or how much money you have or don't have. What counts is whether you are a good person, neighbor, and community member. It is just a pleasant and comfortable place to live.
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Old 09-02-2017, 09:58 PM
 
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The biggest difference is governmental if you ask me. NY State is a massive bureaucracy that micromanages every aspect of life relative to Vermont's comparatively small govt. presence. For example, my next door neighbors are looking to build a house near (not on) Lake George a hour from here, and the permitting process is taking about a year and $20,000. My son is building a house here and all he needed to do was submit the septic plan to the State and get a building permit from the town. No delays, no hassles, and little expense.

Another big difference is NY is anti-gun whereas VT is gun friendly.
I don't know if NY is necessarily anti gun, but given the dynamics of the state and its large population, I think it is just more strict about its gun laws/process. There are people that hunt in many parts of NY. So, it may be a matter of different things at play.

Also, Upstate NY is still pretty down to earth and is different in terms of attitude, generally speaking, in comparison to the NYC portion of the state.

Another thing is that the hoops you may have to jump through may depend on where in Upstate NY. I say that because some counties like Essex and Lewis, have lower average property tax rates due to the more rural/small town nature of those counties. Saratoga County on the other hand has been 1 or 2 in the state in terms of population growth since 2000. So, that may have played a part in terms of stipulations, etc.

I think another difference in that Upstate NY is more urban in comparison and is more diverse culturally. So, those 2 things may be notable differences.

Cost of living may actually be lower in overall terms in Upstate NY, but this likely depends on which areas within both states/regions you are comparing.
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