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Old 11-28-2018, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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I think the best suggestion yet is - next time they see the landlord on their way out, tell him you are on your way out to buy electric space heaters because you cannot live in 50 degree temps.

Another thing. You said your daughter has reprogrammed the thermostat and the landlord changed it back. Be sure she knows that just changing the temp will not reset the programming. It will only hold until the next time cycle. She would have to go through the whole programming sequence and reset it for each time period of each day.
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Old 11-28-2018, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Are you sure your daughter actually reprogrammed the thermostat? If she just raised the temp, the system will go back to it's original programming once the clock hits the next time period. She has to go through the sequence to set the temp for each time period of the day, and for each day of the week.

If problems persist, the next time they see the landlord on the way out, tell him they are on their way to the store to buy electric heaters. That was the best suggestion you got so far.
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Old 11-28-2018, 02:41 PM
 
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The numbers were never discussed before hand so each has their own idea of what comfortable is.
For me, comfort is weighed against cost.

Assuming your daughter prevails, what happens next?
She is toasty warm... with a rent that is guaranteed to be increased and a bad reference waiting for the next landlord.

Her best bet is coming to a compromise. Wear a hoodie inside and considering it training for when she owns her own place and has to pay heat. I tell my wife 'raising the thermostat vs putting on a sweatshirt is like lighting $20 bills on fire and holding them under the chimney.'
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Old 11-30-2018, 03:07 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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What is the current landlord going to tell any future landlord? "Our agreement was 'heat included' but then tenant used more than I thought was acceptable to stay warm?" Utterly ridiculous. but I wouldn't doubt that this occurs.
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Old 11-30-2018, 03:14 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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See how awful it gets here and the line of thinking? I hardly think two 'kids' who are stretched thin as it is have 'a couple of hundred' bucks to see an attorney for heaven's sake for breach of a presumably 'simple' landlord-tenant agreement. Heat and snow removal are included in the lease but apparently this is 'according to what the landlord thinks is reasonable.' I'd suggest going to the town first.
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Old 11-30-2018, 06:59 AM
 
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A present landlord with a tenant problem is likely to give a GREAT recommendation to the next one, because that will facilitate ending the problem. It's the second-latest landlord who'd be likely to do the dump.
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Old 11-30-2018, 09:17 AM
 
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See how awful it gets here and the line of thinking? I hardly think two 'kids' who are stretched thin as it is have 'a couple of hundred' bucks to see an attorney for heaven's sake for breach of a presumably 'simple' landlord-tenant agreement. Heat and snow removal are included in the lease but apparently this is 'according to what the landlord thinks is reasonable.' I'd suggest going to the town first.
First, a housing budget stretched thin does not always equate to poverty. Students attending Middlebury or U.V.M. from out of state often have the resources of Croesus backing them when in a pinch.

Second, lease enforcement is not a criminal matter, but a civil dispute. A "town" (which part of said "town?") has no jurisdiction unless a specific ordinance is violated. It could be checked out, but is not an assured "git-er-dun" solution.
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Old 11-30-2018, 12:00 PM
 
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Talk to the town health officer. It's free.
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