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Old 04-18-2008, 11:03 PM
 
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I really like to ski and enjoy the feel of Vermont, but whenever I go up there it seems like a lot of extreme liberals live up there.

Like I see a lot of "1-29-09" and anti bush bumper stickers and whatnot. Plus I know that you got the Gay marraige and all sorts of stuff like that.

Is this indicitive of Vermont as a whole?
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Old 04-19-2008, 06:09 AM
 
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Vermont is more Libertarian than liberal. Burlington area is more liberal than the rest of the state.

Who cares though? Politics is just that. People are nice no matter what there politics are.
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Old 04-19-2008, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Rutland, VT
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Vermont is more Libertarian than liberal. Burlington area is more liberal than the rest of the state.
Well said. I would not call Vermont or any individual person "liberal," as I think that word has lost its place in civil discourse. "Liberal" simply means open to progress or reform and committed to maximum individual freedom which is secured by the government, but it's now usually used as an epithet to incite argument.

I suspect many people who call themselves "conservative" would be open to progress or reform in many areas. They might highly value individual civil liberties and want the government to protect them. Yet the word "conservative" means commitment to maintaining the status quo and avoiding change; being moderate and preservation-oriented and avoiding showiness. People who might be considered "liberal" as well as "conservative" likely support those "conservative" values in many ways.

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Who cares though? Politics is just that. People are nice no matter what there politics are.
Again, very well said. I associate with friends and colleagues on all parts of the political/social belief spectrum, yet we share many core values, such as respect, compassion, and caring. And we don't label each other.

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Old 04-19-2008, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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Its certainly more liberal overall than what it used to be....but lilybeans and sherylcatmom have said it best.
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Old 04-19-2008, 06:49 PM
 
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VT is definitely not libertarian. VT is moonbat central I'd guess only bezerkely is worse. Nice place to ski and visit, but don't expect to survive up here unless your money comes from somewhere else.
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Old 04-19-2008, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Rutland, VT
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VT is definitely not libertarian. VT is moonbat central I'd guess only bezerkely is worse. Nice place to ski and visit, but don't expect to survive up here unless your money comes from somewhere else.
Leaving aside the name-calling, none of my Vermont contacts are living off trust funds or lottery winnings. We have a lot of hard-working friends and colleagues who do just fine, and we do know some who are struggling. Which is true of people in Vermont and beyond.

It's one thing to describe one's own experience or repeat what others have said (when it's not confidential), but to make pronouncements seems to me unfair and certainly not applicable to everyone.
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Old 04-19-2008, 11:34 PM
 
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I really like to ski and enjoy the feel of Vermont, but whenever I go up there it seems like a lot of extreme liberals live up there.

Like I see a lot of "1-29-09" and anti bush bumper stickers and whatnot. Plus I know that you got the Gay marraige and all sorts of stuff like that.

Is this indicitive of Vermont as a whole?
They did elect a socialist to the US Senate, if that helps answer your question.
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Old 04-19-2008, 11:36 PM
 
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Vermont's progressive??? that's funny
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Old 04-20-2008, 04:17 AM
 
Location: hinesburg, vt
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Liberal? Does a bear you know what in the woods? Actually this a good time to see the true colors of those elected to represent the interests and welfare of the citizens of the state. With the current state of economic affairs the governor has proposed to create an economic stimulus plan for Vermont itself. Granted it's going to require compromise and tweaking, but the immediate response from our biggest liberal mouthpieces, namely Symington and Shumlin, was to kick and scream and claim "betrayal of trust". Excuse me, betrayal of trust. Just follow the history of the legislature and then answer who has been betrayed. The governor in his speech put it best when he stated that the "boutique issues, endless studies, pet projects" need to be curtailed and we need to get down to business. It's kind of sad when people wish for the legislature to end their sessions earlier and earlier each year because of the perception that this will mitigate further damage.
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Old 04-20-2008, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Caribou
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VT is definitely not libertarian. VT is moonbat central I'd guess only bezerkely is worse. Nice place to ski and visit, but don't expect to survive up here unless your money comes from somewhere else.

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