[heidinbend]

Originally Posted by carolinajack

Sadly, Spunky it is more liberal than some of us care to take. I own a little piece of Vermont because I love the rivers and Mountains and forests. I like her people too.

the liberals are not as bad as they are in NYC or Boston or Philly though, they will actually treat a black person as an equal--unlike in Boston, Philly or NYC. the taxes are what makes it a bad liberal state really. the flatlanders came in to drive up prices like the Californians did to beautiful Oregon and Washington and Now Idaho and Arizona, forcing the working native vermonters into a de facto peasantry--I have seen it happen to so many communities around the US and sadly to the wonderful state of VT

lol SO true about califoniains raise the prices out west..OMG... Its crazy!!

[giselle]

Yeah, there was a LOT of talk on the Oregon forum about that. Also resentment for Californians bringing their attitudes and expectations with them.

[pucabear]

What does Oregon and California have to do with "Is Vermont Liberal?"

[nhyrnut]

Originally Posted by pucabear

What does Oregon and California have to do with "Is Vermont Liberal?"

Silly They are liberal. And on the other coast. And a great way to Hijack a tread. (unintentionally I am sure) But I must agree back to the subject Please.

[leggo]

Liberal ??? I guess so!!!! I was born, raised, married, raised kids in VT --- have family still in VT, and I am glad to be the heck outta there!!!!!!!

I was in the bastion of liberalness - Southern VT. I had enough, up to my eyeballs with the Birkenstock, hairy airpits, tofu-eating crowd who touted "equality for all" except when you didn't agree with them. Then you where a right wing conservative Christian nut job. Well they didn't really have a "diversity and tolerance" in their heart for opposing viewpoints - I can tell you. They tried shoving "alternative lifestyles" in my son's high school Health ed class - with a lesbian giving a presentation to the children saying how wonderful and fulfulling was their lifestyle.
Now before you going screaming "HOMOPHOB" -- I have 2 uncle inlaws who are gay-and I love them dearly - they would give me the shirt off their back -- as I would to them. So that dog don't hunt !.
My suggestion was that they have a straight couple come to the health Ed class at the high school and give an opposing view point to the lesbians viewpoint. These were impressionable 14 year old 9th graders.

OMG that was HOMOPHOBIC to suggest that - I was told. I was a Conservative right wing Christian nut job.

I moved across the river to New Hampshire -- they are normal over here --- not trying to shove their agenda down your throat.

you liberals are welcome to VT - just don't cross over the river to NH!
Leggo.

[Dwatted Wabbit]

Originally Posted by seanpecor

And liberal California has a conservative governor. And conservative Virginia has a liberal governor. And liberal New York has a conservative governor. Wheee this is fun.

Sean

I don't know about Virginia; Schwartzie and Spitzer may wear the republican label but they do not embrace the conservative philosophy.
Aaahnie is a lot like the first black president, Clinton: flexible, always with a finger to the political breezes. Utterly disinterested in the constitution. Narcissistic. Today known as a neocon.

[carolinajack]

absolutely, Leggo, they are liberal until you dont drink their brand of kool aid and then they become rabidly authoritarian, rigid and close minded. Brattleboro can be a lovely town, but go to the co-op and the poeple there seems to be living with enimas. they cant smile(not in the winter months but rather in the nice summer time), they are pushy and rude as the flatlanders--many might be.

NH might be better, even Upstate NY is better--the libs in Washington Cty(Cambridge seem to be a more aggreeable type--not snarling or thinking the are better than others because they drive a Prius, eat vegetarian and have seen the V monologue).
If they are liberal, hey thats their choice--this is a free country and I have liberal friends who actually love this country. But the ones who think they have to tell you, ne, try and convince you that you have to drive a yuppie lefty enviro car, or eat only veggies or worse vegans---really are just as bad as the reactionaries the libs say they hate.

Vermont is good for vacationing but the socialist experiment is darkening the state.

[flu189]

Originally Posted by carolinajack

absolutely, Leggo, they are liberal until you dont drink their brand of kool aid and then they become rabidly authoritarian, rigid and close minded. Brattleboro can be a lovely town, but go to the co-op and the poeple there seems to be living with enimas. they cant smile(not in the winter months but rather in the nice summer time), they are pushy and rude as the flatlanders--many might be.

NH might be better, even Upstate NY is better--the libs in Washington Cty(Cambridge seem to be a more aggreeable type--not snarling or thinking the are better than others because they drive a Prius, eat vegetarian and have seen the V monologue).
If they are liberal, hey thats their choice--this is a free country and I have liberal friends who actually love this country. But the ones who think they have to tell you, ne, try and convince you that you have to drive a yuppie lefty enviro car, or eat only veggies or worse vegans---really are just as bad as the reactionaries the libs say they hate.

Vermont is good for vacationing but the socialist experiment is darkening the state.

The first and last paragraphs best describe the actual experience of living here. Today is town meeting day and I know many that don't even bother to take part anymore because the agendas have been predetermined and why go through the stress. It's actually pretty sad.

[Sonrise]

Liberal Tolerance: The greatest oxymoron in the United States

[tree climber]

This is a great discussion. I made a long post over at the "Is combating urban sprawl so bad" thread that would fit right in here. But rather than repeating it, I want to play the devil's advocate for a bit.

Personally, I'm glad Chuckie doesn't shuck his cheese in Vermont. For anyone who moved here--knowing beforehand that the little cheese-sniffing rat wasn't around, and now is pissed because his kids can't enjoy the pleasures of Chuckie's company--well you should have stayed where the cheese was next to the super Wal Mart and not at Cabot's Farm.

Yeah, the arrogant liberal hypocrties have certainly been able to make their prescence felt in Vermont. I had to move from Middletown Springs, where I'd built a great little cabin snuggled in the hills on a dirt road. I fought the weasels there for four years, mailing out town-wide letters about how incredibly ignorant these folks could be when they said stuff like, "I'm so sick of seeing Rodney's rusted farm machinary out in the open fields. We should pass an ordinance to make him build a shed and hide his equipment because those old tractors are ruining my sense of aesthetics." These folks, the weasel-liberals of Middletown Springs, were so anti-cell phone tower that they passed an anti-tower ordinance from another town without even reading all 28 pages of it. It required the tower be built of laminated wood with branches and leaves nailed and glued on, etc. Never mind that the rescue squad and volunteer fire department really needed cell service.

So granted, these folks can be fools. But it doesn't mean all environmentalists are, or that all of their proposals are eco-nutty. There needs to be balance. I kinda like the idea that Vermont was the last state to let Wal Mart in, and when they did get in, they had to limit the size of their stores and build downtown, so as not to drive the mom-and-pops out of business when folks shopped at malls out of town.

What's happened in Vermont is that the state has become a refuge for the eco-nuts. And like most refugees, they're somewhat desperate. And desperate people do desperate things. I love Vermont. It used to be when I was away for a while, the first thing I did when I crossed the border was to get out of my truck and kiss the ground. I always felt safe here. Safe from all the commercial mega-madness and congestion strip malls in other states.

For those that need a Wal Mart fix a few times a week and are indignant because they have to drive more than 45 minutes to get it, I suggest that you're just as strung out as the dope smoking, granola crunching, tree hugging eco-nuts you chastise.