[OhBeeHave]

Originally Posted by Phoenix lady

Wow--above post makes you think--Is this the norm in Vt.? Even people not talking in grocery lines, simple chit chat, like a one-liner is not too common??

I've exchanged more smiles than chit-chat while in VT. I do find that sometimes a smile will open the door to a small pleasantry (which happens in whatever state I am in.)

[Alt Dach]

Originally posted by Alt Dach


Maybe we should blame the working guy and not the coyote for the lack of deer in VT. [/quote]


When I started deer hunting in VT 60 years ago there were 10 days of
deer deason period and VT had no coyotes.
Now the woods are full of archers for months and coyotes harrass deer 24/7-365.
Deer have gone almost totally nocturnal in VT-I got a buck for 40 years,had to move in WI 5 years ago-few coyotes in central WI see' im in
day all the time.Of course there are about 4-5 tomes as many deer per sq. mile as VT.

[Alt Dach]

Originally Posted by OhBeeHave

I've exchanged more smiles than chit-chat while in VT. I do find that sometimes a smile will open the door to a small pleasantry (which happens in whatever state I am in.)

VT is like US in general,so a big a split town the middle its moved from
differences to outright hate.Not good

[NYLIER]

Originally Posted by Alt Dach

Originally posted by Alt Dach

When I started deer hunting in VT 60 years ago there were 10 days of
deer deason period and VT had no coyotes.
Now the woods are full of archers for months and coyotes harrass deer 24/7-365.
Deer have gone almost totally nocturnal in VT-I got a buck for 40 years,had to move in WI 5 years ago-few coyotes in central WI see' im in
day all the time.Of course there are about 4-5 tomes as many deer per sq. mile as VT.

I beg to differ with you sir. Coyotes do not harrass deer around the clock. The coyotes around my house are hunting at night. They have to kill to survive, unlike humans who choose to hunt. We do have supermarkets. I don't see too many deer around my house but the few I do see seem very content. They are not afraid to graze under the apple tree while I am 50 feet away tedding the field. My biggest problem is a fox now and then. A few weeks ago I stood outside for over an hour protecting what was left of my chickens (I already lost my rooster and 2 chicks) because a fox that weighed all of 15 lbs with the worst case of mange I have ever seen, would not go away. My husband put him to rest. The neighbors dogs are more of a threat to my livestock then coyotes. I think people tend to inflate the truth a bit.

If you don't mind me asking, do you regret moving from VT? I assume you are a native VTer. Now and then I go on the Long Island threads to see what is going on back home. You seem to be on the VT threads quite a bit lately. I notice you speak your mind and I enjoy reading your posts. I am just wondering if you miss living here?

[arctichomesteader]

Varies by area, some areas, coyotes aren't a big problem, others, they are. There is a very good reason why there's no closed season on coyotes (and despite that fact their population is still in no trouble, but they are under better control now in a lot of places so they aren't as big an issue). Chat with some oldtimers who remember when there weren't any coyotes around. They really wreaked havoc on farms and still do in some places. I'm perhaps too selfish in waiting until the fur is a bit more prime (so I can sell the pelts and at least get something useful from them as the meat isn't too good) before going after them (while some hunt them year-round), but they aren't as big a problem where I hunt either, and trapping them is easier than hunting them, and land trapping season is so short...

[Alt Dach]

Originally Posted by NYLIER

I beg to differ with you sir. Coyotes do not harrass deer around the clock. The coyotes around my house are hunting at night. They have to kill to survive, unlike humans who choose to hunt. We do have supermarkets. I don't see too many deer around my house but the few I do see seem very content. They are not afraid to graze under the apple tree while I am 50 feet away tedding the field. My biggest problem is a fox now and then. A few weeks ago I stood outside for over an hour protecting what was left of my chickens (I already lost my rooster and 2 chicks) because a fox that weighed all of 15 lbs with the worst case of mange I have ever seen, would not go away. My husband put him to rest. The neighbors dogs are more of a threat to my livestock then coyotes. I think people tend to inflate the truth a bit.

If you don't mind me asking, do you regret moving from VT? I assume you are a native VTer. Now and then I go on the Long Island threads to see what is going on back home. You seem to be on the VT threads quite a bit lately. I notice you speak your mind and I enjoy reading your posts. I am just wondering if you miss living here?

Of course I should have said bucks,but as a hunter thats what we mean
by deer."yotes prey heavily on fawns but I personally have seen them pull
down large bucks 4 times,they killed one on my frozen pool in Rutland county while I watched from my kitchen window. They keep deer nervous all the time.

I don't miss Vermont but the Vermont I grew up with in the 40's is long dead. Also seeing Mountains so heavily scarred by ski trails is to me like looking at scars on my mothers face,doesn't bother many I guess-damn near makes me weep.Ben and Jerrys in Waterbury Center is a great treat for folks and thats ok-my uncle farmed not a half-mile from there
and it grieves me.
Of course thats just the heart of an nostalgic old man.
Her in central Wisconsin I can go for an all day drive thru family farm country-hour west of me is a 300 family Amish comunity where I can
watch them bringing in the last hay cut with their horse drawn equipment,
reminds me of my Grandad who had the finest team of Belgians in Rutland
County !

[Alt Dach]

Oh i forgot some of my dont miss VT items
I'm a widower and live in a new constructin condo here,1500 sq. ft-well insulated
ans soundproffed with 2 car garage.Paid 110.000 for it-would have cost me 200 easy in Vt. Taxes are 2500,heat last Jan, was $100,elec runs me about 50$ with 2 widescreens, 2 LARGE stereos etc.
Would the extra 3-5 K it would cost me to live in VT make any real differnce,no-10K would'nt . But we were raised to be CHEAP to be honest about it-LOL Just feels right-Aaah !

[Alt Dach]

Originally Posted by NYLIER

I beg to differ with you sir. Coyotes do not harrass deer around the clock. The coyotes around my house are hunting at night. They have to kill to survive, unlike humans who choose to hunt. We do have supermarkets. I don't see too many deer around my house but the few I do see seem very content. They are not afraid to graze under the apple tree while I am 50 feet away tedding the field. My biggest problem is a fox now and then. A few weeks ago I stood outside for over an hour protecting what was left of my chickens (I already lost my rooster and 2 chicks) because a fox that weighed all of 15 lbs with the worst case of mange I have ever seen, would not go away. My husband put him to rest. The neighbors dogs are more of a threat to my livestock then coyotes. I think people tend to inflate the truth a bit.

If you don't mind me asking, do you regret moving from VT? I assume you are a native VTer. Now and then I go on the Long Island threads to see what is going on back home. You seem to be on the VT threads quite a bit lately. I notice you speak your mind and I enjoy reading your posts. I am just wondering if you miss living here?

Coyotes hunt at night. Are all the deer in motels then?
Mange and won't go away;;hmmm can you say rabies?
Yes dogs are worse than"yotes-they kill just to be doing something.
Yes we have supermarkets -and the meat therein is hormone,antibiotic laden and corn fed poison to the human body. Humans are predators,thats why our eyes are on the front ,not on the side.
I have no doubt that God is pleased with me harvesting the organic meat
he provided for our bodies as oppossed to have some poor wretched semi-slave Mexican doing my dirty work in the poison meatpacking plants.

[NYLIER]

Originally Posted by Alt Dach

Of course I should have said bucks,but as a hunter thats what we mean
by deer."yotes prey heavily on fawns but I personally have seen them pull
down large bucks 4 times,they killed one on my frozen pool in Rutland county while I watched from my kitchen window. They keep deer nervous all the time.

I don't miss Vermont but the Vermont I grew up with in the 40's is long dead. Also seeing Mountains so heavily scarred by ski trails is to me like looking at scars on my mothers face,doesn't bother many I guess-damn near makes me weep.Ben and Jerrys in Waterbury Center is a great treat for folks and thats ok-my uncle farmed not a half-mile from there
and it grieves me.
Of course thats just the heart of an nostalgic old man.
Her in central Wisconsin I can go for an all day drive thru family farm country-hour west of me is a 300 family Amish comunity where I can
watch them bringing in the last hay cut with their horse drawn equipment,
reminds me of my Grandad who had the finest team of Belgians in Rutland
County !

I can relate to your feelings of pain concerning the changes you have witnessed. I remember getting upset because someone built a house on my school bus stop.

I have been begging my husband since we moved here to buy me a Belgian!! I think they are the one of the most beautiful breeds. I wish I could get my hands on a Budweiser Clydesdale....but I know that ain't happening.

I thought about that fox having rabies, but he wasn't agressive. He was just starving. I took a few pictures of him, if anyone is interested. I don't want to post them because he was quite sick.

[fromPA]

Originally Posted by Sherylcatmom

I've never noticed any native/flatlander tensions in the Rutland area, but I guess they could be brewing. Most of our neighbors are very nice, friendly, and, well, neighborly folk. Some are from here, some from away. Some are not at all nice, but it doesn't seem to relate to where anyone is from, but rather their own misery.

Yeah, that. People here (in general) are friendlier than the rural area I grew up in back in PA, in fact.