[harry chickpea]

vter, my early stomping grounds were from Fairfax to Stowe, to Warren, from Montpelier to Burlington. There is no point in getting more specific. As to exactly where I am now, do you SERIOUSLY think I want to divulge that to people? Where I am will get ruined soon enough. I have no intention of encouraging changes in that direction.

As much as I noted the changes in Vermont, the ones I noted in south Florida were even faster and more striking. My experiences there parallel those of Sherylcatmom. I vacationed there in the mid 1970s, visiting Ft Lauderdale and the Keys. The road from Homestead to Key west, for example, was a somewhat quiet road through agricultural land and ran beside the remaining extension of the old Flagler railroad serving the produce warehouses. I later lived in the Ft Lauderdale area. By the time we left, the road from Miami to Homestead was one long repetition of strip mall, car dealership, fast food joint, condo, strip mall, etc..

[vter]

Originally Posted by harry chickpea

As to exactly where I am now, do you SERIOUSLY think I want to divulge that to people? Where I am will get ruined soon enough. I have no intention of encouraging changes in that direction.

LOL. I can respect that. I'm glad you found your "home".

[Sherylcatmom]

Originally Posted by harry chickpea

The road from Homestead to Key west, for example, was a somewhat quiet road through agricultural land and ran beside the remaining extension of the old Flagler railroad serving the produce warehouses. I later lived in the Ft Lauderdale area. By the time we left, the road from Miami to Homestead was one long repetition of strip mall, car dealership, fast food joint, condo, strip mall, etc..

Seeing all that really freaks me out. When I grew up there, even in the '60s and '70s, we regularly recreated "in the middle of nowhere" which existed in almost every direction. We frequently drove to the Keys and enjoyed just the sights you mentioned. We used to go target shooting and then eat at The Pit, a barbecue place that had absolutely nothing around it for miles. Last time I saw The Pit, it was crammed between strip malls on a multi-lane road congested with traffic. Now the only way I know my way around in SFla is by street signs, since not a single natural landmark remains.

I'd like my memories of the Florida of my youth to stay intact. Even though the weather and the place in general did not resonate with me, and I was always planning to leave, I deeply appreciated its natural beauty.

[68vette]

I think everyone has a good point. When you read other peoples posts you know who is trash talking and who is talking about the reality of many peoples lives in the state of Vermont. flu189 always makes great points about many of the issues we have here. No place is perfect, but wouldn't it be nice to live in a place that was close to it?

I don't look at it as NN, I look at what everyone has to say. Many people here have good points about what is wrong with our state government and possible solutions to those problems. If anything it opens my eyes a little wider so that on an election day I can make a better educated decision.

If I was to move somewhere else in the country I would research everything I could. These forums are a great way in helping to do that. I would be very disappointed if I moved to Vermont or anywhere else and all anybody talked about was how great life is here and found out otherwise. It's fine to talk about what is great, but also let me know what the issues people are dealing with so I can make a better decision.

[MRVphotog]

Originally Posted by dekes1969

wow if you read this forum you would think vermont is hell on earth. I have never seen so many people disparage the place they live. I read city-data for different places and without a doubt this one is the most negative.

I have family in the rutland area and i consider vermont a second home, i am from the western new york area. I really make me sad to read all the things people hate about vermont. I hope peolple are posting all this crap cause becuase they want to keep vermont true to it's roots, however i get the feeling that this is doom and gloom mindset is how people really think.
I have lived in the sunbelt of everyone person for themselves and government could care less about you and quite honsetly i find vermont's citizens first approach refreshing.

So please if you hate it so much move to this job rich, warm weather, and little government involvement states becuase you will see all about those "great schools, crime rate, and citizen frindly laws." lol please let other who are interested in moving to vermont get honest answers here with the good and bad to make sound choices not negative trolls like most of you are.

+1

[pucabear]

Originally Posted by 68vette

I think everyone has a good point. When you read other peoples posts you know who is trash talking and who is talking about the reality of many peoples lives in the state of Vermont. flu189 always makes great points about many of the issues we have here. No place is perfect, but wouldn't it be nice to live in a place that was close to it?

I don't look at it as NN, I look at what everyone has to say. Many people here have good points about what is wrong with our state government and possible solutions to those problems. If anything it opens my eyes a little wider so that on an election day I can make a better educated decision.

If I was to move somewhere else in the country I would research everything I could. These forums are a great way in helping to do that. I would be very disappointed if I moved to Vermont or anywhere else and all anybody talked about was how great life is here and found out otherwise. It's fine to talk about what is great, but also let me know what the issues people are dealing with so I can make a better decision.

Well said.

There is no perfect place. It is up to each individual to choose based on what they like and the things they can tolerate.

[dekes1969]

sorry when i posted had gotten some bad news medically about my wife.that being said i guess the left wing socialist in me came out in the post. i feel that vermont actulally takes the time to care and protect its citizens. the cold weather i have here in the b-lo. i have lived in the warm weather 110 in august places with their lack of caring for the common good and i think vermont has gotten it right. as far as jobs go i will tell you all this i have been offer 3 professional jobs from firms in vermont that i declined due to my wife not being done with school. so maybe the work is there and vermonters would rather complain then look for it. and these were high tech high pay jobs too.as far as expensive i would rather be taxed and know serices are available to me in crisis times then be told try a church they might be able to help.


ps sorry for the poor spelling and the rant that started this thread

[Alt Dach]

Originally Posted by dekes1969

wow if you read this forum you would think vermont is hell on earth. I have never seen so many people disparage the place they live. I read city-data for different places and without a doubt this one is the most negative.

I have family in the Rutland area and I consider Vermont a second home, I am from the Western New York area. I really make me sad to read all the things people hate about Vermont. I hope peolple are posting all this crap cause becuase they want to keep Vermont true to it's roots, however I get the feeling that this is doom and gloom mindset is how people really think.
I have lived in the sunbelt of everyone person for themselves and government could care less about you and quite honsetly I find Vermont's citizens first approach refreshing.

So please if you hate it so much move to this job rich, warm weather, and little government involvement states becuase you will see all about those "great schools, crime rate, and citizen frindly laws." LOL Please let other who are interested in moving to Vermont get honest answers here with the good and bad to make sound choices not negative trolls like most of you are.

What's negative? Outside of the USA folks non Orwellian have no concept of "negative" thought.They deal in outmoded pre-bornagain, pre-disney raised my kids
by the TV concepts like True or False..........

[mustmove]

That's funny- calling people negative because they aren't socialists. Tsk tsk tsk.

[flu189]

Originally Posted by mustmove

That's funny- calling people negative because they aren't socialists. Tsk tsk tsk.

C'mon now, we got Bernie who cares.