[carolinajack]

having Vermont, as a southerner is actually a little slice of heaven. I can live in the nice weather of South Carolina during fall, spring and winter and Summer in southern vermont.
my family loves the mountains, living in a yurt, driving our old trucks on the backroads, swimming in ponds---and we can do it without a superhighway around us, we dont see a liberal or hippie unless we choose to, we can go into a small town and the people are nice and genuine, eat healthy good foods and relax to the fireflies and cracklin fire at night.

and go back to the city and to dixie when it is over

[Please kill me]

I am an artist with fairly liberal sensibilities and wondering why Vermont has a reputation for this (liberal). As far as politics go, I dont think that Vermont is especially liberal, not nearly as liberal as the NYC area, but that 'real' Vermonters will fight any invention or ideologies that are post 1965. I can see a 'real' Vermonter arguing with the plumber when they went to indoor plumbing because he was being denied his constitutional right to run through 3' ft. of snow to use his outhouse. If you dont wear 25 year old flannel, weigh 200 lbs and have a mullet be prepared to hear 'Flatlander' at least 2o times a day. It gets old after a while. 'Real' woodchucks are xenophobic, racist and closed minded and will defend that under the auspice of being 'proud' Vermonters.
We visited Vt. a few times and of course were sucked in by its magnificant beauty and me being a bicycle commuter loved the low traffic but after having suffered this expensive, cultureless hell for only 18 months we are moving to Asheville. The reality of living here is diametricly opposed to the feeling one has after a short stay. The 'real' Vermont idiocyncracies lose thier appeal and usually become expensive annoyances after time.
I will miss Vermonts stellar beauty but not the prevailing humorless, funeral type personalities of the people who have been zombie-ized by time here and the outragiously expensive cost of living and intolerance for anything that is considered an outsider. Ive / lived spent time in many places in the US and the Vermont experience was absolutely the biggest, most soul crushing mistake I have EVER made as far as a living situation goes.
I know this is inflammatory and apologise accordingly, but this is my opinion based on a real life, horrifying experience.

[chaz longue]

Originally Posted by Please kill me

I am an artist with fairly liberal sensibilities and wondering why Vermont has a reputation for this (liberal). As far as politics go, I dont think that Vermont is especially liberal, not nearly as liberal as the NYC area, but that 'real' Vermonters will fight any invention or ideologies that are post 1965. I can see a 'real' Vermonter arguing with the plumber when they went to indoor plumbing because he was being denied his constitutional right to run through 3' ft. of snow to use his outhouse. If you dont wear 25 year old flannel, weigh 200 lbs and have a mullet be prepared to hear 'Flatlander' at least 2o times a day. It gets old after a while. 'Real' woodchucks are xenophobic, racist and closed minded and will defend that under the auspice of being 'proud' Vermonters.
We visited Vt. a few times and of course were sucked in by its magnificant beauty and me being a bicycle commuter loved the low traffic but after having suffered this expensive, cultureless hell for only 18 months we are moving to Asheville. The reality of living here is diametricly opposed to the feeling one has after a short stay. The 'real' Vermont idiocyncracies lose thier appeal and usually become expensive annoyances after time.
I will miss Vermonts stellar beauty but not the prevailing humorless, funeral type personalities of the people who have been zombie-ized by time here and the outragiously expensive cost of living and intolerance for anything that is considered an outsider. Ive / lived spent time in many places in the US and the Vermont experience was absolutely the biggest, most soul crushing mistake I have EVER made as far as a living situation goes.
I know this is inflammatory and apologise accordingly, but this is my opinion based on a real life, horrifying experience.

Two things, PKM

First, this is the wrong thread for your post.
Please reread the initial post in the thread.
There are several threads which have become places for bashing VT. This isn't one of them.

Second - I don't recognize the part of VT you're talking about - where exactly is this "cultureless hell"? I'd appreciate knowing where it was you tried to settle.
...do tell, won't you?

[KirbyJRT]

When I read this thread. I thought of the movie "Thank you for Smoking."

"The Great State of Vermont will not apologize for it's cheese."

[chaz longue]

Bill Macy has a cabin in VT.

[carolinajack]

thank you chaz,

I am african american and summer in vermont and travel the state, I havent encountered that type of person Please Kill Me is talking about. how does he/she know they are anymore racist than the liberal people I have met? What exactly did they say to him/her to prove that?
Humorlessness goes both ways, especially if you have ever been to NYC or Boston. Flatlanders come to VT and think they can change things just because they are from the city and believe that are intellectually and culturally superior to native Vermonts and actually(as I have posted before)superior to all people they deem educationally, economically, intellectually subordinate.

it is funny, that this person talked about outdoor plumbing. The environmentalist left wants you to believe there is a global warming or global cooling depending on the agenda they are pushing and so they want Enviro sensitive homes, cars, food, farming, energy, fuel etc. but the native vermonters when doing it are some kind of rube but a flatlander doing it is progressive and hip. great hypocrisy. I went to university with many of these types, Ivy Leaguer urban dwellers who thing they are better than the rest of the world. Talking about Bush, ha ha, these people make his policies look like playground stuff.

stand up for real vermonters, real new englanders, new yorkers outside the downstate city bubble--these are the people who not only put the food on our tables, they truck the food, the shelve the food, the pick the food, they break their backs so that the yuppies and the progressives can turn around and spit on them.

we have that all over the country by the way, and in every race of people. So we should reconsider who the racists really are--the hardworking native or the flatlander who cant look you in the eye but wants to tell you how you have to live.

[KirbyJRT]

Excuse me. It's William H Macy Does he go by Bill in Vermont? I'm sorry, that line was too funny. I enjoyed that movie. And yes I love to visit Vermont. Used to take motorcycle trips up there and do a fall foliage trip every few years.

[carolinajack]

watch out yall, the New Yorkers have said that now natural trans fats in butter and cheese is bad too, and they will be gunning for you on that too. hey if they want no fat, then by all means dont eat it, but let us have a choice--hmmm isnt that one of their slogans, Pro choice??

[Please kill me]

As I said, I apologise for the tone of the post and also now for posting in the wrong thread. For the sake of staying on topic, I will reserve my VT bashing for Vt. bashing threads. I will finish by saying what has been said in other threads already by many people.... "Do your homework" if you want to live here. We did, but it still was not enough. We expected all the negative stuff people mention but not to the degree that we got it in. I guess I post these
experiences for people coming here and researching areas like I have done in the past. It definately takes a certain personality to live in Vermont. If you are not that personality, your stay, like mine will be miserable. Would you not agree ? The cultureless hell I am speaking of is the Rutland area.

Originally Posted by chaz longue

Two things, PKM

First, this is the wrong thread for your post.
Please reread the initial post in the thread.
There are several threads which have become places for bashing VT. This isn't one of them.

Second - I don't recognize the part of VT you're talking about - where exactly is this "cultureless hell"? I'd appreciate knowing where it was you tried to settle.
...do tell, won't you?

[Please kill me]

I wont dignify this antagonistical nonsense with anymore of a reply than
this.

Have a great day.


[quote=carolinajack;441065]thank you chaz,

I am african american and summer in vermont and travel the state, I havent encountered that type of person Please Kill Me is talking about. how does he/she know they are anymore racist than the liberal people I have met? What exactly did they say to him/her to prove that?
Humorlessness goes both ways, especially if you have ever