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Old 04-01-2007, 02:29 PM
 
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I think they usually plow driveways, not your steps or walkway, per se, although they might. Also, there aren't too many "complexes" as there are more houses with a few apartments in them, or duplexes. HTH
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Old 04-01-2007, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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I don't really see many apartment complexes in my searches, not that I am partial to them or anything. But if they exist does the complex shovel the snow?
It really depends on the specific place. I know of one townhouse complex that shovels the sidewalks, except for the few feet right in front of the door.
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Old 04-01-2007, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Harwich, Massachusetts
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I am from Massachusetts and have a mini farm in Vermont. I love it, but there are many negatives to consider before you move there.

people: don't expect to be welcomed with open arms
taxes: truly unbelievable (communistic)
construction quality: cold + no insulation = bye bye money
loneliness: bring your own guy or gal or family - or prepare to suffer
climate: snow, cold, mud - get used to it
sunshine: days of overcast can be very depressing
hunters: they like to trespass and shoot anything that moves

There are many great things -

food & bev: restaurants, inns, brewpubs
charm: mountains, narrow country roads, rolling terrain, trees, views
privacy: lots of greenbelts

Unlike most parts of America, Vermont is unlikely to turn to **** due to overdevelopement, immigration, environmental devastation, etc. If you can afford it, you can plant yourself there and expect to be able to maintain a comfy and clean lifestyle for at least a few decades. Then you can run to Canada to get away from the filth and degredation.
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Old 04-02-2007, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Margaritaville, State Of mind
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I appreciate all the feedback..I will bring the family in tow, as well as the sunshine from the south.
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Old 04-02-2007, 10:35 AM
 
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I love VT, have been here my whole life, but here are the facts. Vermont is beautiful and harkens to a life and pace that has long since died. Why?
The "white plates" and "flatlanders" moved up country with their trust funds, absurd environmental policies and rose colored glasses are turning Vermont into a Welfare State and hotbed for Socialism..

Consider we have, to my knowledge, the only registered Socialist "representing" VT in the United States Senate. How that happened saddens me. Bernie Sanders (Carpetbagger from Brooklyn found VT as a safe haven for Socialist/Communist ideas) is a fire and brimstone without actual facts or understanding of the real world, type of politician. Sweet. Just what we need.

Local politics:
Vermont is labeled as Progressive. In my experience that means We hate the wealthy and will tax you into the Stone Age.. Progressive means we only want businesses that produce ZERO pollution and oh, the state is going to pillage your earnings to fund mismanaged social programs in return for doing business here. Our politicians don't get that the State is on the brink of financial ruin due to lack of logic and vision in their policies. Our Governor is a fine leader and is a Conservative who has fiscally responsible ideas to perhaps bring growth to the state, but the Progressives don't want any of it. To the Progressive Business doesn't equal jobs and tax revenue, they see business as evil. Deep down they want a socialst state (which fails every time its tried) they don't have the courage to say it.

Working Age:
Sadly, my home, has one of the, if not THE highest out-migration rate of working age employees (age 25-45). There are no jobs here due to the insane lack of logic in environmental policies, approach to attracting business and keeping business, which is DIRECTLY responsible for the crushing property taxes we're burdened with. Don't let anyone tell you different. I'm VERY lucky that I do have a good job, but I can take that job to another state and live MUCH more comfortably. And may just do that. But would I be giving up? hmmm...

Business spawns jobs, tax revenue and affordable living. Look at North Carolina, South Carolina that are examples of how affordability can work. Our politicians simply don't get it and its maddening. Sadly, it may take financial ruin at the state level to make these do-gooders understand, you can't have healthcare for all and yet have no revenue stream in terms of healthy business climate to fund these programs.

I do love this state as it is my Home and no matter where my family and I end up, this will always be home. Each of the 5 seasons has its own beauty. If you're an outdoorsman, its fantastic. If you enjoy hiking, biking, canoeing, kayaking, or anything outside, VT is the place for you. Despite what people see about VT (Commie in the Senate, Judges who understand the plight of the child molester), VT is a great place to raise a family. It's safe, the schools are good, for the most part. Winters are tough, but that just builds character. Its nice to be within 15 minutes of a lake or river or forest no matter where you live..

If you can afford to live here, GO FOR IT!!! You won't regret it.
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Old 04-02-2007, 11:01 AM
 
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Liberals are taking over the state day by day and they love to tax and regulate everything. they think it should be a play ground for the rich and powerful and they look down on the poor native population, like they do everywhere else.

If you want examples: look at how the liberal techies came in from NY and California to Oregon, made a decent mom and pop kind of town of Portland into a yuppie paradise for coffee shops, expensive boutiques, and the most outrages housing prices ever.

They ran the poor blacks and hispanics out of the Mission district of San Fran and now no poor and working class families can buy a closet in that place.

They did the same in Seattle, Philadelphia, Boston, Portland Maine, San Jose and even Brattleboro and Burlington
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Old 04-02-2007, 11:15 AM
 
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everyone says the magic phrase about Vermont, "IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT". It seems the socialist come with ideals about creating another Sweden or mother Russia or Brooklyn, but they only want it for their kind. They come with NY or Boston money and then argue about progressive values.

I thought one of the progressive values(i used to be a socialist until i lived in NY and the left coast and saw how the liberals/leftist truly treated people) was caring for the poor and working class. What kind of affordable housing have the progressives built since the 70s for the working class and poor in Brattleboro and Bennington and in the rural areas? I see ski condos, and refurbished homes for the upper middle class with Saabs and money for Putney school educations--but I dont see Eco villages for all wage earners. It is funny, they want to force the country to give Universal Healthcare, but what are they doing for the basic rights of Shelter, Food for the poorest in the most progressive of states? I see tons of trailers for the poor and read about the lack of funds and food for school aged children in Brattleboro schools but I dont see the Yuppies and Crunchies doing anything about it but building another coffee shop and protesting big box stores--that will bring in Jobs.

and folks dont go into a food coop expecting loving progressives who care for humanity. The people are so cold and rude and nasty, like they import the meanness from Manhattan and Boston, like they do the other gourmet goods.
They epitomize the bumpersticker saying "Mean People Suck". is it because they are hungry or is it that they are angry things didnt pan out there the Marxist revolution failed?
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Old 04-02-2007, 11:43 AM
 
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The "white plates" and "flatlanders" moved up country with their trust funds, absurd environmental policies and rose colored glasses are turning Vermont into a Welfare State and hotbed for Socialism..

Do you know how truly ridiculous it sounds to use 'socialist' and trust funds in the same rant ??

I didnt think so.

Its flatearth theories like these, not the evil flatlanders that are blame for the stuff you just mentioned.
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Old 04-02-2007, 12:11 PM
 
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kozmic, how is it ridiculous. I went to an Ivy League University and there were tons of Socialist kids there, red diaper babies, etc. who had tons of money, came to school in limos, and yet protested capitalism.

Hell, i was one of them. We all had money but thought we were going to topple the statues of capitalism and imperialism for the Masses and the working class--but none of us knew any working classes or the Masses. And when we were having rallies we were talking poorly about the Rednecks(white rural working classes) and using our parents credit cards to fill our Saabs and Volvos to get to a rally or concert or having dinner at places no poor person could afford.

In VT and Northampton we were no different. we looked down upon the rural poor as rubes, just like Silver Spoon Howard Dean did. We called them names, and thought the natives were too ignorant to know about Green politics, or Equality for women and minorities. All the time, Socialist and leftist comrades of mine were treating women not so equally and didnt have minorities in our lives unless it was some sort of project.

that was my old life and yet i recall it very well, it was just in the 90s not the 60s.
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Old 04-02-2007, 12:18 PM
 
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Do you know how truly ridiculous it sounds to use 'socialist' and trust funds in the same rant ??

I didnt think so.

Its flatearth theories like these, not the evil flatlanders that are blame for the stuff you just mentioned.


It's a matter of these people who move upcountry, often if not always don't need to work, YET they have a guilty conscience for being privileged. So they can afford to persue and conduct these mindless social and economic experiments and impose their policies on Vermonters, without having to contribute or live as the natives do. Sorry if I sound bitter, but there are principles that work and those that don't. Like Act 60, the education funding program that is merely a redistribution of wealth.. Turns out the redistrubution hasn't worked. Big surprise.

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