[Lilybeans]

[quote=NativeFlorida;9883050]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

Skinny dipping in a river or stream isn't trespassing though, unless they cross your property to access it.

So let me get this straight. For all weeks, but weeks designated "hunting season", it is against the law to step foot on private property? But, during hunting season, you may go on private land, gun in hand or not?

I believe so.

[arctichomesteader]

[quote=NativeFlorida;9883050]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

Skinny dipping in a river or stream isn't trespassing though, unless they cross your property to access it.

So let me get this straight. For all weeks, but weeks designated "hunting season", it is against the law to step foot on private property? But, during hunting season, you may go on private land, gun in hand or not?

Not quite so. The laws are pretty...weird. I'll leave it at that. No I can't...an example: it's illegal to disrobe in public (strip down till you're naked), but, it's perfectly legal to walk around nude.

Read the VT statutes sometime...some of them will make you either laugh or leave you scratching your head.

Technically a person can walk through your property to somewhere else if they cause no problems and aren't stripping their clothing off if not posted (not unheard of in the woods especially if someone's a bit lost or not used to an area). But a person can't camp or build a fire or do anything to a fence. Similarly, a person can hunt (BTW coyote season is all year, never closed) without permission if not posted, but not trap without permission.

[NativeFlorida]

[quote=arctichomesteader;9883122]

Originally Posted by NativeFlorida

Not quite so. The laws are pretty...weird. I'll leave it at that. No I can't...an example: it's illegal to disrobe in public (strip down till you're naked), but, it's perfectly legal to walk around nude.

Read the VT statutes sometime...some of them will make you either laugh or leave you scratching your head.

Technically a person can walk through your property to somewhere else if they cause no problems and aren't stripping their clothing off if not posted (not unheard of in the woods especially if someone's a bit lost or not used to an area). But a person can't camp or build a fire or do anything to a fence. Similarly, a person can hunt (BTW coyote season is all year, never closed) without permission if not posted, but not trap without permission.

I can't seem to get you back on track after the nudity comment.
The whole hunting thing sounds rather confusing, though. Oh well, if it works for you guys.

[flu189]

[quote=NativeFlorida;9883050]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

Skinny dipping in a river or stream isn't trespassing though, unless they cross your property to access it.

So let me get this straight. For all weeks, but weeks designated "hunting season", it is against the law to step foot on private property? But, during hunting season, you may go on private land, gun in hand or not?

If you do not "post" your property then anyone can lawfully enter your property regardless of what season it is. Around my way you see quite a few "no hunting" signs posted allowing you for example to hike on the land. Some owners allow hunting and post "safety zone" signs to alert hunters not to discharge weapons near a dwelling for example. Since moving here I have not followed liability case law, but suspect that many who post their land no trespassing just don't want to take the risk of getting into a law suit due to somebody out walking and hitting their head on a low branch which you as the landowner should have trimmed to remove the hazard. Might sound stupid, but around the nation there are thousands of examples of such suits. Then again, many just want privacy on their own land.

[quickdraw]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

I don't know. A lot of them are out of staters (like the one who killed a guy sitting in his tractor).

I seem to recall a couple of farmers gunned down on their tractors recently. One of the shooters was from Swanton and the other from somewhere in Franklin County.

[asalligo]

Hey NativeFlorida, living in northern Vermont now for 3 years and being from the rural area outside Tallahassee, let me tell you now that hunting is going to seriously disappoint you in Vermont. I love Vermont and it is a wonderful place to live, if you have children that is reason enough to get up here, but the hunting leaves much to be desired.

Here are the pros to hunting in Vermont. The Landscape is awesome and the deer are large. When the season starts the temps are nice and chilly so for those of us that have sat in a tree stand at 90 degrees that is a pleasant plus.

The Cons, the season is insanely short. For Deer, bow season is 3 weeks in October and Gun season is 2 weeks in November. The limit per season is 3 deer and that's if you hunt multiple seasons like Bow/Muzzleloader/General Gun. If you hunt Gun season only, your limit is one deer! Now for the Vermont readers let me put that in perspective for you. Deer season in Florida starts with bow season around the 1st of October and runs until just before Thanksgiving. Gun season starts Thanksgiving and runs until February 17th. That's a 3 month gun season. Instead of one per season, the limit is one per day. There are also 7 doe days in Florida per gun season where every one in the state can kill a doe a day. All this and the Deer population is growing every year. I long for my old Florida Lease.

Florida's deer population has been skyrocketing since they started to allow year round feeding. Vermont's population would also if they allowed that, but Vermont wants skiers in BMW's coming to the state, not hunters in my opinion. I still say you would love living in the NEK, but don't plan on loving the hunting.

[MRVphotog]

The guy who was killed sitting on his tractor was shot by a local kid being stupid. About a month ago 3 guys were finally sentenced after they were target shooting and a stray bullet went thru the neighbors window and killed a woman sitting in a chair watching TV with her husband sitting next to her. Last year a hunter shot and killed his son cause he thought he was a turkey. If you don't identify your target bad things can happen.

Having said that the private land hunting thing is not all that complicated. A majority of hunters will ask permission to go on private land to hunt. If you don't want hunters you just have to put up the no hunting signs per the regulation. They have to be so many feet apart, just one sign will not work.

On the news recently hunters were complaining that the number of private acres that they can hunt on is getting smaller and smaller. I don't hunt but I support hunting all the way. Some years I go to deer camp with some of my friends and it's a blast, no pun intended. The primitive living, the drinking, the card playing, being out in the middle of nowwhere and sometimes there is some hunting mixed in. Last time I went one of the guys brought his cell phone, in the fireplace it went. Hunters have gotten along just fine without cell phones for centuries.

[OhBeeHave]

Originally Posted by asalligo

Hey NativeFlorida, living in northern Vermont now for 3 years and being from the rural area outside Tallahassee, let me tell you now that hunting is going to seriously disappoint you in Vermont. I love Vermont and it is a wonderful place to live, if you have children that is reason enough to get up here, but the hunting leaves much to be desired.

Here are the pros to hunting in Vermont. The Landscape is awesome and the deer are large. When the season starts the temps are nice and chilly so for those of us that have sat in a tree stand at 90 degrees that is a pleasant plus.

The Cons, the season is insanely short. For Deer, bow season is 3 weeks in October and Gun season is 2 weeks in November. The limit per season is 3 deer and that's if you hunt multiple seasons like Bow/Muzzleloader/General Gun. If you hunt Gun season only, your limit is one deer! Now for the Vermont readers let me put that in perspective for you. Deer season in Florida starts with bow season around the 1st of October and runs until just before Thanksgiving. Gun season starts Thanksgiving and runs until February 17th. That's a 3 month gun season. Instead of one per season, the limit is one per day. There are also 7 doe days in Florida per gun season where every one in the state can kill a doe a day. All this and the Deer population is growing every year. I long for my old Florida Lease.

Florida's deer population has been skyrocketing since they started to allow year round feeding. Vermont's population would also if they allowed that, but Vermont wants skiers in BMW's coming to the state, not hunters in my opinion. I still say you would love living in the NEK, but don't plan on loving the hunting.

The warm Florida climate, the feeding and the constant hunting pressure keeps herds thinned and does not allow for the larger deer you see in VT. Also, compare the sizes of the two states, the environment/climate, and limited food sources in Vermont during the colder months.

I live on LI, NY. One of the local state parks had a deer feeding program. We have a growing deer population which has increased competition amongst the herd members for food, has helped spread Lyme disease, mange, and has seen an increase in the number deer vs. auto collisions.

My ex was picked to hunt Fire Island in a very rare hunting opportunity. Fire Island is a mostly seasonal community; many summer residents would feed the deer, causing the deer to become dependent on handouts. The DEC was conducting necropsies on all deer harvested during the hunt. He took his deer shortly into the hunt. At the DEC station they allowed him to stay and watch the proceedings. The deer was loaded with mange and ticks, it's stomach loaded with pine needles. For those who aren't familiar with this -- pine needles are a starvation diet for deer. It makes them feel full but offers absolutely no nutritional value.

[Ken E]

Originally Posted by asalligo

Hey NativeFlorida, living in northern Vermont now for 3 years and being from the rural area outside Tallahassee, let me tell you now that hunting is going to seriously disappoint you in Vermont. I love Vermont and it is a wonderful place to live, if you have children that is reason enough to get up here, but the hunting leaves much to be desired.

Here are the pros to hunting in Vermont. The Landscape is awesome and the deer are large. When the season starts the temps are nice and chilly so for those of us that have sat in a tree stand at 90 degrees that is a pleasant plus.

The Cons, the season is insanely short. For Deer, bow season is 3 weeks in October and Gun season is 2 weeks in November. The limit per season is 3 deer and that's if you hunt multiple seasons like Bow/Muzzleloader/General Gun. If you hunt Gun season only, your limit is one deer! Now for the Vermont readers let me put that in perspective for you. Deer season in Florida starts with bow season around the 1st of October and runs until just before Thanksgiving. Gun season starts Thanksgiving and runs until February 17th. That's a 3 month gun season. Instead of one per season, the limit is one per day. There are also 7 doe days in Florida per gun season where every one in the state can kill a doe a day. All this and the Deer population is growing every year. I long for my old Florida Lease.

Florida's deer population has been skyrocketing since they started to allow year round feeding. Vermont's population would also if they allowed that, but Vermont wants skiers in BMW's coming to the state, not hunters in my opinion. I still say you would love living in the NEK, but don't plan on loving the hunting.

You really shouldn't need 3 months to get enough venison to fill the freezer. For what my buddy spends feeding deer down here you could eat top quality steaks all year. Never understood that grain fed venison.