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Old 01-23-2013, 07:58 AM
 
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I'm derailing the thread, but why is L'burg tied to Roanoke? To be clear, I mean no disrespect to Roanoke: I spent many hours in Roanoke in the 80s while at VTech and weekends there in the 90s when my parents lived on the southern side of SML and my sister was working on Roanoke revitalization. If the train had run that far in 2009, I would have considered buying there, even though my parents are now in Lynchburg, because I'd love to be more in the mountains. But, perhaps because it was the closest town to Blacksburg, when I think of Roanoke, I think of the NRV and SW VA.

From my place in L'burg it takes me about the same amount of time to get to both cities, but 29 north seems to be an easier drive and the grocery offerings are better and more easily reached, so I head up 29 more often. As a result, I know much more about the area between Lynchburg and C'ville than Roanoke so I can offer more insight on that area for forum visitors. That's why I think the sub forums are more logically geographically stated than broken down by cities. But maybe my case is unusual? I know relatively equal numbers of people who commute from the area to each city (and one who commutes to Danville, and another who commutes to Farmville), so I can't argue forum placement from that POV.

Side note: the radio stations I listen to are full of Charlottesville ads, with very few Roanoke ads, so maybe that's also why I head there to shop. If I had local subscription TV, I guess I'd get Roanoke stations and would probably head there... Oh well. Sorry to derail. This was supposed to be about Danville.
Good question, no reason to apologize. For a very long time, Lynchburg and Roanoke have been grouped together quite often. it probably stems from the media market ties (they are the same market), but they have been somewhat influenced by one another since Roanoke began, mainly due to the railroad and transportation. I wouldn't be surprised if the region doesn't end up as a single CSA, since the MSAs abut one another. Interestingly, I've seen Lynchburg and Charlottesville are grouped together in some economic data; this is due to the fact that their economies (large educational component and high tech/engineering) have more similarities than say Lynchburg and Danville or Roanoke.
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Old 02-11-2013, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Roanoke VA
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In my view, Lynchburg-Roanoke-Blacksburg should be one CSA with around 700k population. All 3 MSA's have
gotten more inter connected over the past 10 years. The criteria the Census Dept uses for such designations
apply to CSA's everywhere except VA since we have an independent city/county type set up in this state and it goes against the formula for CSAs. I believe because of this quirk our region is being slighted by data supplied to Companies seeking to expand, especially new chain stores, restaurants which look at only each
individual MSA. I hope our regions' "leaders", LOL and our state HA HA!! will one day see the forest for the trees and see the potential here.
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Old 02-12-2013, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Danville, VA - 3rd Capital of the Confederacy!
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In my view, Lynchburg-Roanoke-Blacksburg should be one CSA with around 700k population. All 3 MSA's have gotten more inter connected over the past 10 years. The criteria the Census Dept uses for such designations apply to CSA's everywhere except VA since we have an independent city/county type set up in this state and it goes against the formula for CSAs. I believe because of this quirk our region is being slighted by data supplied to Companies seeking to expand, especially new chain stores, restaurants which look at only each individual MSA. I hope our regions' "leaders", LOL and our state HA HA!! will one day see the forest for the trees and see the potential here.
CSAs, or MSAs, or PMSAs can be anything the Census Bureau wants them to be, and the folks at Census can revise or redesign their statistical gathering structure any way they want. Take a look at how the Census Bureau has recently redesigned Washington DC's MSA:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/business/longterm/localec/bfmsa.htm

HOWEVER, whatever the Census Bureau chooses to do has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with taxation, at any level of government, Federal, State, or Municipal.

If the Census Bureau wanted to create a CSA to include the three cities you mentioned, each of those individual cities would still continue to have its own MSA, regardless.

However, the U.S. Census Bureau's activities have nothing to do with the way Virginia's TAXATION structure is set up. As it is now, Virginia's CITIES and COUNTIES are separate independent geopolitical units with separate tax structures.

The only other place in the US where this happens is with Baltimore County and the City of Baltimore in Maryland. Although the City of Baltimore is almost completely surrounded by Baltimore County, each jurisdiction (i.e., City AND County) maintains independence as a separate geopolitical unit.

Virginia's method of taxation is much more equitable. Other states "double tax" many of their citizens, where people who live in Cities that are situated "within" Counties (the vast majority of places) must pay both "City" Taxes AND "County" Taxes to their respective taxing authorities. Virginia's taxation protocol, copied from an old British taxation protocol, is fairer to consumers and easier for both consumers and tax administrators. And it eliminates "dual taxation."

TOWNS, on the other hand, are different. If you were to live in Vienna, VA, for example (which is a "Town" ... and NOT a "City), you would pay taxes to Fairfax County, and also to the Town of Vienna, for a number of different municipal services. However, when and IF Vienna ever does become a CITY, citizens of that CITY will begin paying taxes ONLY to the City and NOT to the County anymore.

It's a system that works. Easier. Simpler. Cheaper for the consumer (because it is much less costly to administer). And fairer to everybody all around ...

Or would you rather live in (and pay taxes to) New York?

The DANVILLE MSA still needs its own forum on City-Data, though.
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Old 02-12-2013, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Roanoke VA
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Default Danville Forum

I think Danville is a very nice place. I have visited there many times and I have always liked the downtown area. It seems like it is coming back to life. My opinion is the people of Danville feel more aligned to North Carolina, especially the Triad Area. The roads are much better from Danville to Greensboro and the media market in the Triad includes Danville. I know people who live in Danville and commute to work in the Triad.
Who cares about Virginia, a state which seems to be lopsided toward NoVa and eastern Va, definately NOT
southside Virginia!
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:16 AM
 
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I'm on board for those areas having their own forum. That part of Virginia along w/ the panhandle have never been repersented well in just about any aspect. It gets almost as bad a rap as West Virgina gets.
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Old 02-18-2013, 10:09 PM
 
Location: The South
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Seems like recently there has been an increase in postings about Danville, either by somebody with something to say about Danville, or by somebody with questions about Danville. That would probably be easy IF THERE WAS A FORUM FOR DANVILLE. However, it took me quite awhile to figure out which Forum might have information I needed about Danville when I first started using City-Data Forums to look for Danville-related postings.

Eventually, I managed to discern that most people seemed to be posting Danville comments in the ROANOKE AREA Forum, which makes no sense at all, since Roanoke is about 80 miles from Danville, and there doesn't seem to be a high degree of similarity between the two Cities.

Some people post new Danville threads in the VIRGINIA Forum (parent of ALL the sub-forums pertinent to anything to do with Virginia), which makes life more complicated for those looking for information specific to Danville in the Virginia Forum, because they usually have to wade through a multitude of postings that may or may not be relevant to whatever they're trying to learn about Danville.

Danville has an illustrious history. From the Virginia General Assembly's establishment in Danville of its first tobacco warehouse in 1793, Danville was to rapidly become Virginia's largest market for bright leaf tobacco. From 1882 to 2006, Danville was home of Dan River Mills, which for almost a century was the largest textile mill in the world. Today Danville is home to Ikea's very first furniture factory in North America (and so far the *only* one). Danville has its very own Metropolitan Statistical Area. And Danville was also the last Capital of the Confederacy.

And Danville needs its own Forum on City-Data.

So what's the next step here? HEY MODERATORS!!! How can we get a Danville Forum started?

Dan
Agreed -- how about one for "South Central VA". We aren't the Tidewater or western VA and just a bit too far from Greensboro, Durham, Richmond or Charlotteville to be part of these areas...
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Danville, VA - 3rd Capital of the Confederacy!
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Thumbs up South Central? Yeah, they made a movie about that.

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Agreed -- how about one for "South Central VA". We aren't the Tidewater or western VA and just a bit too far from Greensboro, Durham, Richmond or Charlotteville to be part of these areas...
"South Central"? Yeah, that might work. Sounds a bit like the name of an LA (that would be in Los Angeles, not in Louisiana) 1992 ghetto gangsta movie, but why not? Some Danvillens (or should that be Danvillains?) could be gangstas. I could be down with that.

You really like that name, make the motion to the powers that be. I'll be happy to second it.

On the other hand, I also think that maybe either "Danville Metro" or "Dan River Region" could also be a creative name for the forum, if nobody's happy with just calling the new forum "Danville" ... any other thoughts, anyone?

Keep the faith,
Dan
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Old 12-20-2013, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Queen Creek, AZ
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"South Central"? Yeah, that might work. Sounds a bit like the name of an LA (that would be in Los Angeles, not in Louisiana) 1992 ghetto gangsta movie, but why not? Some Danvillens (or should that be Danvillains?) could be gangstas. I could be down with that.

You really like that name, make the motion to the powers that be. I'll be happy to second it.

On the other hand, I also think that maybe either "Danville Metro" or "Dan River Region" could also be a creative name for the forum, if nobody's happy with just calling the new forum "Danville" ... any other thoughts, anyone?

Keep the faith,
Dan
FYI, Danville has been downgraded to a Micropolitan Statistical Area as part of the 2013 redefinitions.
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Old 12-21-2013, 07:07 AM
 
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FYI, Danville has been downgraded to a Micropolitan Statistical Area as part of the 2013 redefinitions.
Rain on the parade. If there isn't a forum for Lynchburg or the Staunton/Harrisonburg area, there certainly isn't a need for a Danville forum.
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