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Old 02-08-2019, 07:44 AM
 
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Kavanaugh has not been forced to resign from anything. Last I checked, he still has his job.

Innocent until proven guilty should have applied to Kavanaugh and should apply to Fairfax.

"She said it", by itself, should not be an automatic conviction in the courts or in our minds.
I think we all agree there should be due process. But the point is, the Democrats didn't honor that standard with Kavanaugh and are hypocrites if they treat it differently when it's their own guy.
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Old 02-08-2019, 07:54 AM
 
Location: VB
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I don't see how they could possibly get away with any trickeration like that. Also, who would they appoint? What scandal from grade school awaits them?
It's all in the Constitution of Virginia.

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Originally Posted by Article V, Section 7
Section 7. Executive and administrative powers.
[....]
The Governor shall have power to fill vacancies in all offices of the Commonwealth for the filling of which the Constitution and laws make no other provision. If such office be one filled by the election of the people, the appointee shall hold office until the next general election, and thereafter until his successor qualifies, according to law. The General Assembly shall, if it is in session, fill vacancies in all offices which are filled by election by that body.
The Governor would appoint the successor to any vacancy to the Lieutenant Governor or Attorney General positions, such successor(s) would serve until the inauguration following the 2021 general election.

If the Governor were to resign first (or be impeached and removed from office), then the Lieutenant Governor becomes Governor; see above for the rest. By the way, removal would require two-thirds (27 votes) in the Senate -- at least six of the 19 Democrats in the Senate would have to vote to convict for "offending against the Commonwealth by malfeasance in office, corruption, neglect of duty, or other high crime or misdemeanor." That's assuming that the House of Delegates would even bring up impeachment charges, which Kirk Cox and the rest of the House seem unwilling to do for the time being.

As for who would get appointed: who knows? As the days pass, it seems less likely that it's going to get to that point, as Northam is holding firm. The point is that Cox has no realistic chance of succeeding to the Governorship, because it would require all three of the top executives to vacate their offices at the same time (or for the last of the three to quit before making appointments to fill the other vacancies).

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Democrats have to repudiate this non-sense of "we found a skeleton in your closet, now you must resign." Republicans don't have this problem. It only works if you believe that people should be forced to resign over stuff like this. Democrats have tried this on Republicans for years, it never works, and now they are falling into their own trap.
Agreed. I don't expect any serious push to get Tommy Norment to step down, for example. Certainly not from his own party.
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Old 02-08-2019, 08:02 AM
 
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It's all in the Constitution of Virginia.



The Governor would appoint the successor to any vacancy to the Lieutenant Governor or Attorney General positions, such successor(s) would serve until the inauguration following the 2021 general election.

If the Governor were to resign first (or be impeached and removed from office), then the Lieutenant Governor becomes Governor; see above for the rest. By the way, removal would require two-thirds (27 votes) in the Senate -- at least six of the 19 Democrats in the Senate would have to vote to convict for "offending against the Commonwealth by malfeasance in office, corruption, neglect of duty, or other high crime or misdemeanor." That's assuming that the House of Delegates would even bring up impeachment charges, which Kirk Cox and the rest of the House seem unwilling to do for the time being.

As for who would get appointed: who knows? As the days pass, it seems less likely that it's going to get to that point, as Northam is holding firm. The point is that Cox has no realistic chance of succeeding to the Governorship, because it would require all three of the top executives to vacate their offices at the same time (or for the last of the three to quit before making appointments to fill the other vacancies).



Agreed. I don't expect any serious push to get Tommy Norment to step down, for example. Certainly not from his own party.
I get that it's constitutional, but it will create a new controversy. So you'd say, Fairfax would resign, then Northam would name a new Lt. Gov. Then Northam would resign and the new governor would name a new Lt and possibly an attorney general. It just looks bad in light of everything else. But let's go with that...who would be the new governor? What happens when dirt comes out on that person?

Removal isn't really on the table for Northam. He's accused of nothing that would qualify and the precedent set would be too dangerous. Is there any provision in any of this to call for a new election?
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Old 02-08-2019, 08:11 AM
 
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I think we all agree there should be due process. But the point is, the Democrats didn't honor that standard with Kavanaugh and are hypocrites if they treat it differently when it's their own guy.
Sure...anyone who is treating the two differently is certainly a hippocrite.
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Old 02-08-2019, 09:15 AM
 
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This is well said.

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Scapegoating politicians who are caught in the act of interpersonal racism will not address the fundamental issue of systemic racism. We have to talk about policy. But we also have to talk about trust and power. If white people in political leadership are truly repentant, they will listen to black and other marginalized people in our society. They will confess that they have sinned and demonstrate their willingness to listen and learn by following and supporting the leadership of others. To confess past mistakes while continuing to insist that you are still best suited to lead because of your experience is itself a subtle form of white supremacy.

At the same time, we cannot allow political enemies of Virginia’s governor to call for his resignation over a photo when they continue themselves to vote for the policies of white supremacy. If anyone wants to call for the governor’s resignation, they should also call for the resignation of anyone who has supported racist voter suppression or policies that have a disparate impact on communities of color.
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In his 20s and 30s, Democrat Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia was a recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan, serving as the exalted cyclops of his local chapter. He continued to support the Klan into the 1940s, but Byrd later said joining the Klan was his greatest mistake. He demonstrated what repentance can look like by working with colleagues in Congress to extend the Voting Rights Act in 2006 and backing Barack Obama as his party’s candidate for president in 2008. “Senator Byrd and I stood together on many issues,” wrote Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), who nearly died fighting for voting rights in Selma, Ala. In our present moral crisis, we must remember that real repentance is possible — and it looks like working together to build the multiethnic democracy we’ve never yet been.
Rev. Barber

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...c98_story.html
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Old 02-08-2019, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Virginia-Shenandoah Valley
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Kavanaugh has not been forced to resign from anything. Last I checked, he still has his job.

Innocent until proven guilty should have applied to Kavanaugh and should apply to Fairfax.

"She said it", by itself, should not be an automatic conviction in the courts or in our minds.
Fairfax is an elected official. Yes, "she said" in itself should not suffice. But this is not a court of law and the evidence does not need to show guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt. If Fairfax did what has been alleged then he has no business staying in his position and he really has no business being moved to the position as governor.
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Old 02-08-2019, 10:00 AM
 
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If Fairfax did what has been alleged then he has no business staying in his position and he really has no business being moved to the position as governor.
Yes, that statement is 100% correct. But, note that your statement starts with a big, fat "IF". If he didn't do this, he deserves the job he was elected to do.
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Old 02-08-2019, 01:12 PM
 
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I've been hearing a lot about restorative justice. Maybe this is a good, high profile way to demonstrate it.
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Old 02-08-2019, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Virginia-Shenandoah Valley
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Seems there is now a 2nd victim coming forward alleging rape against Fairfax in 2002. Looks like there is little to no chance he'll be a governor now. Not that I'm happy but this will not go well.
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Old 02-08-2019, 04:24 PM
 
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Seems there is now a 2nd victim coming forward alleging rape against Fairfax in 2002. Looks like there is little to no chance he'll be a governor now. Not that I'm happy but this will not go well.

Yes, a 2nd accuser is rather damning. Very interested to hear his response to this.
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