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Old 02-26-2009, 01:05 AM
 
Location: The Country of Virginia
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Over the past few years I have heard Virginia referred to as the Mid-Atlantic instead of the classical title as a southern state. So that leaves me very confused, because in school I was told different. In history books, even geography wise it doesn’t add up and I will go through every part of this step by step to ensure that it is understood that Virginia is a southern state.

1st) The most simple and easy definition (besides a dictionary) for where a state is located in the United States would typically be from the United States Census Bureau, Which is (for those who don’t know) a government agency that is responsible for the United States census.

Here is a map of Regions in the United States.

So I know what many upon many of you people are saying look at a map, Virginia is smack dab in the center of the eastern seaboard. No, its not and I will thoroughly explain why it’s not.

The geographical center for the Contiguous US 48 states is Lebanon, Kansas. Mark that spot on a map and draw a line across, for Virginia only a couple counties is tipped by this line. So for the center of the Eastern Seaboard the very top of Virginia might work as Mid-Atlantic “Defined” but not the other 90% of the state.

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But even that is inaccurate because the actual center for the “ENTIRE” US is Butte County, South Dakota which rightfully places Virginia in the SOUTHEAST. Ok so now that I have explained in detail where the center exactly is, there can’t be an argument geographically.

Now let’s look at ancestry, shall we?

Does anyone notice a sort of pattern in ancestry? There is reason behind that which I should have no need to explain.


Then you have the Cotton-Belt, which is a term for a particular region in the states when cotton was the predominant cash crop from the late 18th century into the 20th century. The Cotton Belt extended from Virginia to eastern Texas.


And Virginia has a humid subtropical climate, here is a map of the states or area’s in the US that this appies to.



Really this is stupid, Virginia is the top of the south, why doesn’t Kentucky get as much crap about this? There practically surrounded by midwest states, Virginia is surrounded by definition, Southern States.


The Mason-Dixon Line starts at Maryland, Richmond was the capital of confederacy, then Danville Virginia. So historically if you think Virginia was fighting for the North your a complete jack***.


Accent is another factor, Virginia Piedmont dialect had a strong influence on the South's speech patterns. Explain right? Here we go, Virginia Piedmont is non-rhotic, meaning speakers pronounce "R" only if it is followed by a vowel. The dialect also features the Southern draw.


Coastal Southern resembles Virginia Piedmont but has preserved more elements from the colonial era dialect than almost any other region of the United States. It can be found along the coasts of the Virginia, the Carolinas, and Georgia. It is most prevalent in the Charleston, South Carolina area. In addition, like Virginia Piedmont, Coastal Southern is non-rhotic.

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Old 02-26-2009, 10:49 AM
 
Location: The Country of Virginia
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To add to the maddness, look at where the FBI classifies Virginia.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/images/content_images/07regcrimeratefig.gif (broken link)
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Old 02-26-2009, 11:23 AM
 
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Good Lord.

Virginia is changing. Much like every other state. The Southern past will always be there, but it's changing.

I've always thought of Virginia as the Mid Atlantic. That should be taken with pride, not an insult. Mid Atlantic in culture means a place where both Northern & Southern cultures have a significant impact on a state. That doesn't mean there's no Southern traits in Virginia. Just that for every Southern trait, there's a Northern one to even it out. What's so wrong with that?

Sometimes I wish the East Coast would take an example from the West Coast, and become unified, despite the differences they may share, instead of this "you're either North or South" crap.
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Old 02-26-2009, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, VA
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Sounds like vasinger came up with another s/n.
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Old 02-26-2009, 12:57 PM
 
Location: The Country of Virginia
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What?
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Old 02-26-2009, 01:06 PM
 
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Sometimes I wish the East Coast would take an example from the West Coast, and become unified, despite the differences they may share, instead of this "you're either North or South" crap.
Amen!

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But even that is inaccurate because the actual center for the “ENTIRE” US is Butte County, South Dakota which rightfully places Virginia in the SOUTHEAST. Ok so now that I have explained in detail where the center exactly is, there can’t be an argument geographically.
If that's the case, 90% of the U.S. is 'southern'!
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Old 02-26-2009, 01:09 PM
 
Location: The Country of Virginia
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"Sometimes I wish the East Coast would take an example from the West Coast, and become unified, despite the differences they may share, instead of this "you're either North or South" crap."


Good lord if South Carolina had to become associated with New York they would have the highest suicide rate in the nation. LOL
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Old 02-26-2009, 01:15 PM
 
Location: The Country of Virginia
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Amen!



If that's the case, 90% of the U.S. is 'southern'!
Well, technically yes. If you went by the entire US.
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Old 02-26-2009, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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Why does it matter whether Virginia is considered Mid-Atlantic or Southern or whatever label one comes up with? Why not let Virginia be Virginia?
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Old 02-26-2009, 01:30 PM
 
Location: The Country of Virginia
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Why does it matter whether Virginia is considered Mid-Atlantic or Southern or whatever label one comes up with? Why not let Virginia be Virginia?
Ok I honestly don't care that much, I just think its bizzare that I was always taught we were a southern state and now it's bieng more refered to as the Mid-Atlantic. The country of Virginia sounds allot better.

Im just saying it makes me feel kind of retarted living 1-2 hours away from Tennessee saying I live up north or Mid atlantic or whatever.
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