What aboot Virginia is Northern? (Richmond, Arlington: section 8, 2009, live in)

[deserthorse]

Originally Posted by Alanboy395
Very lax attitudes on illegal immigration, liberals, expensive, stuck up folks.

posted by Richmonder
Richmonders can be pretty stuck up. So are Charlestonians, and Savannahians. But I know what you mean.

Liberals... that would be me. I'm not from here, so maybe that's my excuse (although I love it here waaaay more than where I'm from, which also ain't all that liberal) I've really liked it that most people are nice here, even if I don't hold widely popular views, and if I have to leave, I'll be devastated. This feels more like my home to me than my home ever did.

Expensive is agreed Which is why we might have to leave.

I've heard about Richmonders being a hard group to be accepted as a part of unless you're from there. For at least as far back as four or five generations. We've visited multiple times, of course, and on visits, I've found everyone to be perfectly pleasant and the city to be nice, esp. the Fan. We've been to Savannah, and liked it, but of all the places I've ever been, Charleston was one of my least favorites of all time. In fact, it's the only Southern place I've ever been (except Miami, which wasn't Southern even back when I went) that I disliked.

We've never been up to DC proper, but we've gone to Wolf Trap (great) and awhile back, Leesburg (very charming). Fredericksburg frequently, which, well, still feels sort of Southern. Victim of such bad sprawl, and traffic. But a lot of history, which I associate with Southernness. Maybe Fredericksburg is "Mid-Atlantic" ;D

Are y'all going to disavow me as even a transplanted Southerner because I'm all for Obama? I'm not stuck-up. I'm pretty pro-life, and anti-gun control, and I actually believe in capitalism, but also health care and the environment. I'm sort of an aged ex-semi-hippie. I can't drink my tea sweet because of the calories, since I drink gallons of it, but I wish I could. I have my grandmother's dining room furniture and my great great aunt's hand painted china and rocking chair... Peace and love, dood.

[01va571]

I have lived in Virginia like my whole life, I mean VA is a mix of allot of cultures, I mean most people in NOVA have more in common with DC than Richmond, Virginia beach people tend to have more in common with New Yorkers, people in Roanoke and SW have more in common with Tennessee West Virginia, and Kentucky. So its not one or the other, its a mix of crap, Mid-Atlantic (cultural wise)

What culture is left in Virginia is hard to find the only people I can think of that I even hear say "Warsh" of "Hoouse" are some of my family member including me. However how often do you hear that? I never do, not anymore anyways. The thickest southern accents in Virginia I even hear anymore are more towards the Shenandoah all the way down to Roanoke and southwest of that more towards West Virginia, Kentucky, and Tennessee. And to me that more of a southern accent in my opinion, more comparable to what you would hear in Tennessee.

Being southern in general to ME is nothing more of a mindset than anything. Compare Nova or Hell even the Hampton roads to Birmingham, Jackson, or Baton Rouge... You can’t do it; they are incomparable in many ways. But you can compare ALLOT of West Virginia (Where my family is from) to Jackson or any area with similarities, people live life allot slower, and are a whole lot friendlier to a point where you start to wonder if they just might be a serial killer (Joking, but true). It's not just about sweet tea (any genius can put 10TBLS of sugar into a cup of Tea); it’s a whole OTHER mindset.


I know one thing, go tell a typical Northern Virginian that they live in the south, you might get laughed at. Most of Nova residents are from New Jersey and Pennsylvania anyhow, I used to work with quite a few in the area.


It's not just Virginia; a whole lot of North Carolina is changing just as fast due to the increasing population, and all the wonderful (I MEAN THAT) Tourist Attractions (OBX ROCKS!).

[Alanboy395]

Originally Posted by deserthorse

Originally Posted by Alanboy395
Very lax attitudes on illegal immigration, liberals, expensive, stuck up folks.


Liberals... that would be me. I'm not from here, so maybe that's my excuse (although I love it here waaaay more than where I'm from, which also ain't all that liberal) I've really liked it that most people are nice here, even if I don't hold widely popular views, and if I have to leave, I'll be devastated. This feels more like my home to me than my home ever did.

Expensive is agreed Which is why we might have to leave.

I've heard about Richmonders being a hard group to be accepted as a part of unless you're from there. For at least as far back as four or five generations. We've visited multiple times, of course, and on visits, I've found everyone to be perfectly pleasant and the city to be nice, esp. the Fan. We've been to Savannah, and liked it, but of all the places I've ever been, Charleston was one of my least favorites of all time. In fact, it's the only Southern place I've ever been (except Miami, which wasn't Southern even back when I went) that I disliked.

We've never been up to DC proper, but we've gone to Wolf Trap (great) and awhile back, Leesburg (very charming). Fredericksburg frequently, which, well, still feels sort of Southern. Victim of such bad sprawl, and traffic. But a lot of history, which I associate with Southernness. Maybe Fredericksburg is "Mid-Atlantic" ;D

Are y'all going to disavow me as even a transplanted Southerner because I'm all for Obama? I'm not stuck-up. I'm pretty pro-life, and anti-gun control, and I actually believe in capitalism, but also health care and the environment. I'm sort of an aged ex-semi-hippie. I can't drink my tea sweet because of the calories, since I drink gallons of it, but I wish I could. I have my grandmother's dining room furniture and my great great aunt's hand painted china and rocking chair... Peace and love, dood.

I shouldn't have said liberals. I was referring to elieteist HYPER-liberals. You know the ones who call people racist for speaking against illegal immigration but refuse to live in neighborhoods with even one or two illegals themselves (not practicing what they preach.) The ones who want to take guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens and leaving them defenseless even though the thugs will always find a way to get their guns. I'll accept any liberal as long as they have some common sense.

I really should know better calling myself a independent libertarian, albeit a more conversative one. I voted Bob Barr for president but i also voted Mark Warner (D) for senate and am very fond of him. I also hope Obama doesn't fail, not saying that i wont vote for someone else in 2012, but this country needs some success from Obama.

[Teebyrd86]

I grew up in Richmond, and moved to Roanoke. I have gone through Nova during many Richmond to Baltimore trips. Nova to me is very Northern. I associate rude/poor driving skills, not holding the door open for others, rude people in general, expensive everything, a very fast paced hurry up and get me there attitude, ect. with Northerners only because everytime I go to New York or New Jersey I want to scream because of every characteristic I just mentioned. Granted it dosent seem as bad in Nova as further up north it certainly is a big difference the futher South in Va go, especially South West. It would be very hard for me to trade my slow paced, relaxed lifestyle here in Roanoke Va. for a hard heavy face paced one. Richmonder its very true that to people born and raised up north Nova isnt very northern to them because they are use to that lifestyle but to people that live in Roanoke or even Richmond they are use to a more relaxed lifestyle and going there is like a whole nother country to us. Another way to look at it is Nova's location on the map. They are just that: NORTH OF US thus they are Northerners!! Its like taking someone who lives down in North Carolina and bringing them up here... to them we are Northerners!

[deserthorse]

Originally Posted by Alanboy395

I shouldn't have said liberals. I was referring to elieteist HYPER-liberals. You know the ones who call people racist for speaking against illegal immigration but refuse to live in neighborhoods with even one or two illegals themselves (not practicing what they preach.) The ones who want to take guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens and leaving them defenseless even though the thugs will always find a way to get their guns. I'll accept any liberal as long as they have some common sense.

I really should know better calling myself a independent libertarian, albeit a more conversative one. I voted Bob Barr for president but i also voted Mark Warner (D) for senate and am very fond of him. I also hope Obama doesn't fail, not saying that i wont vote for someone else in 2012, but this country needs some success from Obama.

Totally agreed that our country needs success, and badly. Starting to look like we could use resurrection. We have a strong spirit, though, and a lot of ingenuity, and we'll come out as good or better than we were before. We just have to get out of the mud to do it.

We like our guns. I believe that the Constitution is an amazing document, and we need to not mess with it too much. With all that has changed in the world, the Constitution still holds up as relevant and as important today as ever.

Since Virginia was known as "Mother of Presidents" I'd like to know why there aren't more native Virginians in the upper levels of elected office anymore. Also, why has the US still not declared English as the official language?

But none of that is about Virginia or city-data, is it, except tangentally. So, if we have to move from central Virginia, would we get a more similar feeling in northern GA, or in the Lexington area of Kentucky? We really want to stay here, but we not only need to find the right house, we need land for my horses, and we aren't having much luck finding possibilities in VA, except maybe the eastern shore. Which isn't out of the question, either!

[Alanboy395]

Originally Posted by deserthorse

Totally agreed that our country needs success, and badly. Starting to look like we could use resurrection. We have a strong spirit, though, and a lot of ingenuity, and we'll come out as good or better than we were before. We just have to get out of the mud to do it.

We like our guns. I believe that the Constitution is an amazing document, and we need to not mess with it too much. With all that has changed in the world, the Constitution still holds up as relevant and as important today as ever.

Since Virginia was known as "Mother of Presidents" I'd like to know why there aren't more native Virginians in the upper levels of elected office anymore. Also, why has the US still not declared English as the official language?

But none of that is about Virginia or city-data, is it, except tangentally. So, if we have to move from central Virginia, would we get a more similar feeling in northern GA, or in the Lexington area of Kentucky? We really want to stay here, but we not only need to find the right house, we need land for my horses, and we aren't having much luck finding possibilities in VA, except maybe the eastern shore. Which isn't out of the question, either!

I would think that Lexington would give you what you would looking for. Lexington is known as Horse Country, I rode through it on my to Ft. Knox and Louisville a little while back and i saw LOTS of horse and wide open land for horses. I think you would love it.

[EastCoastDreamer]

VA is southern, Richmond was the southern capital during the civil war. We still make sweet tea that can give you a diabetic seizure if you arent accustomed to it, the grease from our fried chicken can be used as a substitute for motor oil, Smithfield is known world-wide for its country ham (in my experience country ham is mostly a southern thang). We say yall and folks and have rednecks who fly confederate flags on their jacked up 4x4 trucks.

If that doesnt define "southern" I dont know what does.

[Richmonder27]

Originally Posted by 01va571

I have lived in Virginia like my whole life, I mean VA is a mix of allot of cultures, I mean most people in NOVA have more in common with DC than Richmond, Virginia beach people tend to have more in common with New Yorkers, people in Roanoke and SW have more in common with Tennessee West Virginia, and Kentucky. So its not one or the other, its a mix of crap, Mid-Atlantic (cultural wise)

What culture is left in Virginia is hard to find the only people I can think of that I even hear say "Warsh" of "Hoouse" are some of my family member including me. However how often do you hear that? I never do, not anymore anyways. The thickest southern accents in Virginia I even hear anymore are more towards the Shenandoah all the way down to Roanoke and southwest of that more towards West Virginia, Kentucky, and Tennessee. And to me that more of a southern accent in my opinion, more comparable to what you would hear in Tennessee.

Being southern in general to ME is nothing more of a mindset than anything. Compare Nova or Hell even the Hampton roads to Birmingham, Jackson, or Baton Rouge... You can’t do it; they are incomparable in many ways. But you can compare ALLOT of West Virginia (Where my family is from) to Jackson or any area with similarities, people live life allot slower, and are a whole lot friendlier to a point where you start to wonder if they just might be a serial killer (Joking, but true). It's not just about sweet tea (any genius can put 10TBLS of sugar into a cup of Tea); it’s a whole OTHER mindset.


I know one thing, go tell a typical Northern Virginian that they live in the south, you might get laughed at. Most of Nova residents are from New Jersey and Pennsylvania anyhow, I used to work with quite a few in the area.


It's not just Virginia; a whole lot of North Carolina is changing just as fast due to the increasing population, and all the wonderful (I MEAN THAT) Tourist Attractions (OBX ROCKS!).

I dont think VA Beach people have anything in common with New Yorkers. I dont think Virginia is at all culturally Mid-Atlantic. I think its Southern, but geographically located at the southern end of the Mid-Atlantic.

I see Northern Virginia and Hampton Roads are more 'Southern-Lite ' areas.

[Richmonder27]

Originally Posted by EastCoastDreamer

VA is southern, Richmond was the southern capital during the civil war. We still make sweet tea that can give you a diabetic seizure if you arent accustomed to it, the grease from our fried chicken can be used as a substitute for motor oil, Smithfield is known world-wide for its country ham (in my experience country ham is mostly a southern thang). We say yall and folks and have rednecks who fly confederate flags on their jacked up 4x4 trucks.

If that doesnt define "southern" I dont know what does.

I agree with everything except the rednecks. That doesnt make a place Southern. They have plenty of them up Nawth.

[Richmonder27]

Originally Posted by Teebyrd86

I grew up in Richmond, and moved to Roanoke. I have gone through Nova during many Richmond to Baltimore trips. Nova to me is very Northern. I associate rude/poor driving skills, not holding the door open for others, rude people in general, expensive everything, a very fast paced hurry up and get me there attitude, ect. with Northerners only because everytime I go to New York or New Jersey I want to scream because of every characteristic I just mentioned. Granted it dosent seem as bad in Nova as further up north it certainly is a big difference the futher South in Va go, especially South West. It would be very hard for me to trade my slow paced, relaxed lifestyle here in Roanoke Va. for a hard heavy face paced one. Richmonder its very true that to people born and raised up north Nova isnt very northern to them because they are use to that lifestyle but to people that live in Roanoke or even Richmond they are use to a more relaxed lifestyle and going there is like a whole nother country to us. Another way to look at it is Nova's location on the map. They are just that: NORTH OF US thus they are Northerners!! Its like taking someone who lives down in North Carolina and bringing them up here... to them we are Northerners!

Yes, but NOVA used to be very Southern like the rest of Virginia. Most people from other parts of Virginia just dont know much about NOVA. They think it has always been that way?

No. I know natives of Fairfax and they are very very nice. They are very Southern also.