What aboot Virginia is Northern? (Virginia Beach, Richmond: plantation, moving, beach)

[Kbank007]

Originally Posted by PrinceTheo

Don't understand how Richmond was trying to be like NYC. Thats funny. Like I said before NYC hip hop influenced most of the country when it was big mainstream. Now southern music is dominating. Point being its probably a subconscious thing when all you hear is people from a certain area.

I agree with you about the hip-hop being dominated by NYC and now Atlanta mainly. I actually meant being influenced by NYC but I worded it like that to show the poster that if you say if richmond is trying to be south you could also say richmond was trying to be like ny in the early 90's. Honestly, Virginia is Virginia. We are a Southern Midatlantic state or up south, or whatever other nickname you can think of. VA also never seems to have a strong influence on southern or midatlantic states because we are a traditional southern state with a strong northern presence that isn't always viewed as being distinctly one region. Southerners point to the northern influences of VA to exclude VA from being southern despite history, and Northerners always recognize all of the Southern aspects of VA culture to exclude VA from a mid-atlantic classification despite recent advancements and Nova. I also would plus Kentucky in a similar category since they are a Southern/Midwestern hybrid in the eyes of many.

[PrinceTheo]

Originally Posted by Kbank007

I agree with you about the hip-hop being dominated by NYC and now Atlanta mainly. I actually meant being influenced by NYC but I worded it like that to show the poster that if you say if richmond is trying to be south you could also say richmond was trying to be like ny in the early 90's. Honestly, Virginia is Virginia. We are a Southern Midatlantic state or up south, or whatever other nickname you can think of. VA also never seems to have a strong influence on southern or midatlantic states because we are a traditional southern state with a strong northern presence that isn't always viewed as being distinctly one region. Southerners point to the northern influences of VA to exclude VA from being southern despite history, and Northerners always recognize all of the Southern aspects of VA culture to exclude VA from a mid-atlantic classification despite recent advancements and Nova. I also would plus Kentucky in a similar category since they are a Southern/Midwestern hybrid in the eyes of many.

I agree. Basically, Va is a southern state but the metro areas of Nova, Hr, and Richmond are less southern imo.

[01va571]

Originally Posted by ToughLuv

If you look at educational statistics...You will see the South at the bottom or near..While Virginia and Maryland are usually top ten in categories..

If you talk to real Southerners (Mississipi, Alabama, Texas) they will laugh at VA being southern and usually wont treat you as being one of them..

It snows every winter in VA, not much but does..

The northern transplants in NOVA and HR are so strong, they have litterally altered the culture..

Many people in VA, have a non-exisent accent or very "Southern-Lite"..You can never hear someone speak and say "You sound like your from Virginia"..that wouldnt make sense..

VA is definitely losing its southern traits as time is progressing, specifically NOVA and HR..We went Blue In November!

African-Americans of the area have always been a good way to tell how a place is in culture, outside of Richmond area, Most are more 'Mid-Atlantic' or Northern iN culture..

My friends from NC and SC who have strong southern accents constantly say things like " Girls here arent like the ones down South", "We do it different down south"..

I think VA is balanced but definitely leaning more towards Southern, but in about 10-15 years there will be no question that VA is Mid-Atlantic, mark my words..Your making alot of your southern accusations off things from the past..farrr past at that (richmond was confed cap.. etc)

You are correct about the deep southerners calling Virginia a Yankee state, its true they do consider us Yankee's in Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama mainly. I always hear my aunt in Conway say that Virginia is Yankee infested lol.

[Richmonder27]

Originally Posted by 01va571

You are correct about the deep southerners calling Virginia a Yankee state, its true they do consider us Yankee's in Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama mainly. I always hear my aunt in Conway say that Virginia is Yankee infested lol.

I have never heard that at all. I know people from Alabama who moved to Richmond and they say compared to Huntsville Richmond is more like the South to them.

I have never been called a Yankee by any Deep South Southron. Ironically someone from NJ called me a Yankee, lol. He now lives in Georgia.

[Richmonder27]

Originally Posted by ToughLuv

If you look at educational statistics...You will see the South at the bottom or near..While Virginia and Maryland are usually top ten in categories..

If you talk to real Southerners (Mississipi, Alabama, Texas) they will laugh at VA being southern and usually wont treat you as being one of them..

It snows every winter in VA, not much but does..

The northern transplants in NOVA and HR are so strong, they have litterally altered the culture..

Many people in VA, have a non-exisent accent or very "Southern-Lite"..You can never hear someone speak and say "You sound like your from Virginia"..that wouldnt make sense..

VA is definitely losing its southern traits as time is progressing, specifically NOVA and HR..We went Blue In November!

African-Americans of the area have always been a good way to tell how a place is in culture, outside of Richmond area, Most are more 'Mid-Atlantic' or Northern iN culture..

My friends from NC and SC who have strong southern accents constantly say things like " Girls here arent like the ones down South", "We do it different down south"..

I think VA is balanced but definitely leaning more towards Southern, but in about 10-15 years there will be no question that VA is Mid-Atlantic, mark my words..Your making alot of your southern accusations off things from the past..farrr past at that (richmond was confed cap.. etc)

Where do you get this from?


Texas is the South?? According to who??

It can snow in ANY part of the South. Even the Deep South. Especially in the mountains.

It doesnt snow EVERY winter in Virginia. There have been winters even when I was in NOVA that we didnt get any snow.



I dont know any people from the Deep South who have a problem with Virginia being South . I do know some will leave out NOVA. And thats fine.

You are making sweeping generalizations.

Many young people in Virginia do not have very strong Southern accents- but thats true nearly ALL OVER THE SOUTH.



If Virginia turns Mid-Atlantic, then so will the Carolinas.

I was in Rocky Mount NC just the other night and that area is NO DIFFERENT than the Richmond-Petersburg area. A few more Bojangles, but even the accents are similar.

I find it laughable that people from the Carolinas would make those comments. They're so dang close!

LOL.
Whatever!

[Richmonder27]

Originally Posted by deserthorse

Originally Posted by Alanboy395
Very lax attitudes on illegal immigration, liberals, expensive, stuck up folks.


Liberals... that would be me. I'm not from here, so maybe that's my excuse (although I love it here waaaay more than where I'm from, which also ain't all that liberal) I've really liked it that most people are nice here, even if I don't hold widely popular views, and if I have to leave, I'll be devastated. This feels more like my home to me than my home ever did.

Expensive is agreed Which is why we might have to leave.

I've heard about Richmonders being a hard group to be accepted as a part of unless you're from there. For at least as far back as four or five generations. We've visited multiple times, of course, and on visits, I've found everyone to be perfectly pleasant and the city to be nice, esp. the Fan. We've been to Savannah, and liked it, but of all the places I've ever been, Charleston was one of my least favorites of all time. In fact, it's the only Southern place I've ever been (except Miami, which wasn't Southern even back when I went) that I disliked.

We've never been up to DC proper, but we've gone to Wolf Trap (great) and awhile back, Leesburg (very charming). Fredericksburg frequently, which, well, still feels sort of Southern. Victim of such bad sprawl, and traffic. But a lot of history, which I associate with Southernness. Maybe Fredericksburg is "Mid-Atlantic" ;D

Are y'all going to disavow me as even a transplanted Southerner because I'm all for Obama? I'm not stuck-up. I'm pretty pro-life, and anti-gun control, and I actually believe in capitalism, but also health care and the environment. I'm sort of an aged ex-semi-hippie. I can't drink my tea sweet because of the calories, since I drink gallons of it, but I wish I could. I have my grandmother's dining room furniture and my great great aunt's hand painted china and rocking chair... Peace and love, dood.

I think Leesburg/Hunt Country Loudoun is all pretty Southern.
Did you ever visit Oatlands Plantation?

[Richmonder27]

Originally Posted by ToughLuv

I dislike the people in VA (mostly Richmonders) who try so hard to be Southern, I have never heard anyone say "aboot"..

Try hard to be Southern? Maybe because we are??

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[Richmonder27]

Originally Posted by PrinceTheo

I never heard anybody in Richmond say "aboot". If they do they are not from around here or they are just putting you on

Then youve never heard a real genuine Richmonder.

[Richmonder27]

Originally Posted by Kbank007

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. People in the deep south do usually exclude VA from convo and laugh at VA being a south state. At the same time I honestly don't see how NC is much different than VA. I hear no southern accent or a southern-lite accent among many NC residents. The only time I hear a deep southern accent is in a small town/rural area. Many rappers from NC also sound like they could be from the Eastcoast, and South just like VA. There are VA people with southern accents, but they tend to live in the Southside area of VA in smaller areas, anywhere southwest of Richmond pretty much (Lynchburg, Roanoke, Danville, any southside VA county). Many people in Richmond also have mild southern accents. I still also hear the Tidewater accent among some people in the Peninsula area of Tidewater although it is quickly dying.

I agree that in 15 years VA and NC will continue to change and will be considered more Mid-atlantic by some people, but I do believe that the isolated rural areas will remain southern due to a lack of transplants and northern influence. VA will always be considered southern to most northerners due to segregation, history, slower lifestyle, stereotypes, etc. VA's past is hard to forget honestly.

Excellent points! Richmond is practically at NC's doorstep anyway!

I was in Rocky Mount , NC the other weekend (about 1 hr 45 min from Richmond)- people down there sounded even LESS Southern. It was hardly any different at all from Petersburg.

[ToughLuv]

Originally Posted by Richmonder27

Excellent points! Richmond is practically at NC's doorstep anyway!

I was in Rocky Mount , NC the other weekend (about 1 hr 45 min from Richmond)- people down there sounded even LESS Southern. It was hardly any different at all from Petersburg.

I never lived in Richmond, I live in Newport News..So my perspective is different, thats why I didnt include richmond in alot of what I said..Because Richmond is very Southern unlike NoVa and HR..So there's no need for me to debate with you...

Your saying VA is jsut the same as as SC and NC, no RICHMOND is..get what im saying? Half the people in HR and NoVA arent even from there, ..Myself for example! I am from Baltimore..