Gaithersburg unanimously approves mixed use zoning for Montgomery County Fairgrounds (Baltimore: apartment complexes, rental)

[$mk8795]

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey

I don't think its ok.....i think both MD and VA will run into problems down the road....you neglected your region rail systems for to long and have continued to sprawl out either in Dense format or regular sprawl.... The Northeastern states have slowed on the sprawl and began enhancing the Urban Areas....and Railway suburbs ...

Thats not true plus if you are referring to New York-Philadelphia Metro Region then their suburbs expand around 200-300 miles combined........

[DarkWolf]

Originally Posted by $mk8795

Thats not true plus if you are referring to New York-Philadelphia Metro Region then their suburbs expand around 200-300 miles combined........

2 Combined Metros...so the Suburbs Merge , but the vast Majority of our suburbs are old and built out on Railway lines and streetcar lines. Your suburbs are Auto dependent....for the most part and have no bounds...

[superseiyan]

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey

Hehe , your region is going to collapse if it keeps building this way...

Not if there is a population AND an income level to sustain it.

DC is a diverse immigrant city. One thing is that New York aside, it's the only city in the USA that has plenty of jobs in pretty much all fields, so it attracts lots of young professionals.

[DarkWolf]

Originally Posted by superseiyan

Not if there is a population AND an income level to sustain it.

DC is a diverse immigrant city. One thing is that New York aside, it's the only city in the USA that has plenty of jobs in pretty much all fields, so it attracts lots of young professionals.

I was talking about infrastructure terms , not in Social terms...

[MDAllstar]

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey

I was talking about infrastructure terms , not in Social terms...

What part of Bethesda, North Bethesda, Rockville, or Gaithersburg lacks the infrastructure for development? D.C. is built on a hub and spoke design and all development is focused around transit. What are you talking about? Every single place listed has metro and Marc commuter rail access. I think the craziest thing about all this is you know about transit in this area. You know that all suburban development is strictly around commuter rail and metro based on zoning laws in place. And why do you keep bringing up Baltimore in relation to D.C.? We have nothing to do with them. We are apart of D.C. and have no connection to Baltimore. Why would developers want to build in Baltimore anyway? D.C. and it's suburbs is where all the development is going right now. It's the number one market for a reason.

[pcity]

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey

2 Combined Metros...so the Suburbs Merge , but the vast Majority of our suburbs are old and built out on Railway lines and streetcar lines. Your suburbs are Auto dependent....for the most part and have no bounds...

Have you ever seen the sprawl in Central Jersey and Pennsylvania? Even if the railway lines exist, you're talking about extremely auto-dependent places with a lot of suburb-to-suburb commutes that can't utilize rail. The only difference between DC and NYC/Philly is that DC is growing faster.

[mwruckman]

Originally Posted by MDAllstar

Tonight the city council unanimously approved mixed use zoning for the county fairgrounds site. The fairgrounds property is recommended to be divided into three transit oriented neighborhoods of East, West, and Central with a total of 1,100-1,350 residential units. Keep in mind, this is just the recommendation and whichever developer is selected will have specifics on the development later in the process.


West Neighborhood

-750,000-1,200,000 sq ft of mixed use office, retail, residential
-270-370 multifamily dwelling units
-Twelve (12) story height limits


Central Neighborhood

-50,000-150,000 sq ft of mixed use office, retail, residential
-550-650 multifamily, single family attached and detached residential units
-Eight (8) story height limits


East Neighborhood

-Up to 50,000 sq ft mixed use
-270-330 multifamily & single family attached residential units
-Four (4) story height limits




http://www.gaithersburgmd.gov/Docume...z316_small.pdf

One needs to look at the demographic changes in Olde Town, Deer Park and the area just south of the Fairgrounds to see clearly what the future of this area will be. The area is also bracketed by the B&O railline and fading shopping centers like the Gaithersburg Town Center. Can we say Section 8 housing and Habla Espanol? The future of Gaithersburg is more likely to be like Langley Park or Wheaton!

[MDAllstar]

Originally Posted by mwruckman

One needs to look at the demographic changes in Olde Town, Deer Park and the area just south of the Fairgrounds to see clearly what the future of this area will be. The area is also bracketed by the B&O railline and fading shopping centers like the Gaithersburg Town Center. Can we say Section 8 housing and Habla Espanol? The future of Gaithersburg is more likely to be like Langley Park or Wheaton!

Actually, you are wrong. Gaithersburg is Gentrifying. Most of those old apartment complexes in Olde town are being torn down. Olde Town will be very expensive soon. They also don't have to offer affordable housing because they are in the CBD which is exempt from MPDU. The demogtaphics are going to change but more like how downtown DC is changing. By the way, Lakeforest is next and the demographics will be changing there as well. Gaithersburg is going to be extremly expensive in the future. Most low income families will live in Montgomery Village or Germantown in about 10 years.

[bonnielisabeth]

Originally Posted by MDAllstar

What part of Bethesda, North Bethesda, Rockville, or Gaithersburg lacks the infrastructure for development?

All of it....Pepco is not reliable, and can't keep the lights on, the water tastes horrible, and the roads are full of pot holes and over-packed with cars from folks who are (for one reason or another) opting out of all that mass transit.

And, if the mass transit is near affordable housing, here it seems that the higher density development becomes low income crime-prone slummy areas (see Wheaton and Glenmont metros).

[MDAllstar]

Originally Posted by bonnielisabeth

All of it....Pepco is not reliable, and can't keep the lights on, the water tastes horrible, and the roads are full of pot holes and over-packed with cars from folks who are (for one reason or another) opting out of all that mass transit.

And, if the mass transit is near affordable housing, here it seems that the higher density development becomes low income crime-prone slummy areas (see Wheaton and Glenmont metros).

Pepco and the water has nothing to do with population. It has to do with a poor company that is not run well. The water tasting bad has to do with living in the city. Pot holes? Our roads look just as good or better than most major cities. Low Income taking mass transit? Lol...have you ever been to Arlington? Have you been to DC? Have you been to Bethesda? You sound so ignorant right now. Many people in these areas are white and live without a car. Its obvious you have not experienced this phenomenon. You can't compare Wheaton to Gaithersburg. Wheaton is controled by the county and will not gentrify like a city will. See D.C. and the displacment of residents to PG county for an example. Cities are the only places that will approve massive redevelopment. Wheaton is not a city. Gaithersburg is a city and the city is demolishing all the old apartment complexes eventually. It is replacing them with highrises and row houses.

Get your head out of the clouds. The wind of change is blowing through Gaithersburg and it seems like people like yourself are going to get knocked out of the way when it passes by. Go drive down in Bethesda to see what Gaithersburg is going to be like. This is sad how clueless most people are about what is happening in their own community. If you need an example of gentrification, look no further than D.C. for and example of what is happening in Gaithersburg.