Trickle of MD'ers going towards NoVA?

[DMV]

Originally Posted by MDguy99

LOL you missed my whole point! You took two of the closest northern states and two of the furthest southern states and compared them to Maryland and then said "see, Maryland is more like the Northern states". Um, no ****! That would be because of the states you chose and their location. Is it really that hard to follow?

Also nice how you painted the picture that Southerners were backwards know-nothings who needed to come to you for help on everything because, you know, you are hot stuff! "You would set the trends and they would follow"? Nice story.

LOL, well what are some of the Southern States that you think Maryland Has a lot in common with Demographically and most importantly "Culturally", because I just dont see it? Never did. To me even if I were to compare two of the most closest states which are VA(without Nova) and NC I would still draw blanks. Southern VA is just as Country as NC and if not, then worst. other than Richmond most of SOVA is about 4 hours away, which are places like VA beach and Peters burg. The real North and South is about equal in Distance going both ways, but with the 'Real North" still being a bit Closer. When I say the real south Im referring to Richmond on down and when I say the real North I'm referring to the PA boarder which is a lot closer to MD than what I consider the real South to be. From where I Live in Maryland it only takse us an hour and fifteen minutes to get to PA, but at the same time it would take us a little over 2 hours to get to Richmond. Maryland as a State Boarders with PA Geographically anyways and the parts of VA that we Boarder with are nothing like the parts of Richmond. Nonetheless this is just how I view my state of Maryland, but if you see things differently that's fine, then we'll just have to agree to disagree, but I have already done my observations of this great state of MD and what they call the "Real South" and we are nothing alike IMHO.

[GoPhils]

Originally Posted by MDguy99

GoPhils- I agree with your assessment as a whole. I think it was a welll-worded and very fair argument. I would have said the same things if I HAD to compare Maryland to Jersey, but some posters here are suggesting the DC suburbs and even MD as a whole is more similar to NJ and the industrial Northeast than anywhere else. I just do not see MoCo or PG as typical northeastern suburbs- I can see Southern patterns in the whole region. But again, as stated if I had to compare the two- you are dead-on and the similarities you mention do exist- I just see a ton more differences than I do similarities, so NJ wouldn't be my first pick for comparison.

Well I haven't been everywhere, but North Jersey is probably one of the first places that comes to mind when thinking of places similar to MoCo. PG well I'm not quite sure what I'd compare that to. But it's very tough to compare Maryland as a whole to any other entire state because of all the different areas: Western MD, Frederick County, Eastern Shore, Charles/Calvert/St. Mary's Counties, MoCo, PG, Baltimore, Baltimore County, Howard/Anne Arundel Counties, Harford/Cecil Counties for the most part all are pretty different, so it's tough to find another state with so many different regions like that. Obviously many states have different regions, like the difference between South and North Jersey is so significant that they might as well be two different states, yet that's really only 2 regions (3 if you believe in Central Jersey) and not multiple like in MD.

Originally Posted by DMV

LOL, well what are some of the Southern States that you think Maryland Has a lot in common with Demographically and most importantly "Culturally", because I just dont see it? Never did. To me even if I were to compare two of the most closest states which are VA(without Nova) and NC I would still draw blanks. Southern VA is just as Country as NC and if not, then worst. other than Richmond most of SOVA is about 4 hours away, which are places like VA beach and Peters burg. The real North and South is about equal in Distance going both ways, but with the 'Real North" still being a bit Closer. When I say the real south Im referring to Richmond on down and when I say the real North I'm referring to the PA boarder which is a lot closer to MD than what I consider the real South to be. From where I Live in Maryland it only takse us an hour and fifteen minutes to get to PA, but at the same time it would take us a little over 2 hours to get to Richmond. Maryland as a State Boarders with PA Geographically anyways and the parts of VA that we Boarder with are nothing like the parts of Richmond. Nonetheless this is just how I view my state of Maryland, but if you see things differently that's fine, then we'll just have to agree to disagree, but I have already done my observations of this great state of MD and what they call the "Real South" and we are nothing alike IMHO.

He does kindof have a point here, in that if you did have to compare MD to whole other states, it is probably more similar to PA and NJ than it is
to VA (the closest southern state). However, there are even a lot of parts of PA that have Southern influences and as westsideboy would tell you much of PA is probably best described as "Appalachia" so the fact that MD may be more similar to PA than VA doesn't necessarily mean that MD is "Northern". As far as comparing MD to VA is concerned, Baltimore and Richmond share some similarities (maybe even a little of Norfolk too), but Richmond is decidedly more Southern IMO. Western MD is probably similar to SW VA/Roanoke area, although I haven't spent a ton of time in either area to make a full conclusion. But to attempt to somewhat get back on topic, if I had to compare suburban NoVA to part of MD I would probably compare it most to Howard and Anne Arundel Counties (So maybe MD has more in common with VA than I thought ). But as has been said in this thread, the people moving to NoVA from MD are probably moving there for jobs for the most part, so maybe they wanted a little less action than MoCo, a little more action than Charles/Calvert counties, but hopefully a better commute than from Howard/Anne Arundel counties.

Nonetheless, obviously most would not consider NoVA as Southern, which is probably a big reason many would not consider most of MD to be Southern, simply by process of elimination almost. But looking at a map, much of MD (basically the parts that can uniformly be considered "Southern") is physically south of DC/NoVA. So maybe DC/NoVA serves as a type of boundary. Although for me personally, I think it's more of the DC beltway that serves as a boundary. In general, I'd much rather travel north on 95 or 83 than attempt to navigate 495 or some way around it.

[MDguy99]

I disagree that Maryland is more similar to Pennsylvania. Geographically especially, it is nearly identical to VA- the Chesapeake, a shared Plantation history and vast farmland, Appalachia, Atlantic beaches ( one that is literally shared), Piedmont and coastal Eastern and Western Shores, booming suburbs surrounding the nation's capitol. Quite frankly, Virginia should have encompassed Maryland from the start and taken the entire Bay, but that's another topic. As far as attitudes of the people, I see that as a split win for both PA and VA - the people of Baltimore have a blue collar attitude more akin to Philly than, say, Richmond. However, the rural conservative nature of Maryland's "country" population is decidedly Chesapeake tidewater and can only reflect VA the best. The Appalachian people of all three states are similar in my view.

[EdwardA]

Originally Posted by Tiger Beer

Trickle of MD'ers going towards NoVA?

Is it just me, or do I feel a small theme of a trickle of people who live in the suburbs of DC on the MD side, who seem to have a small preference for making a move to the VA side?

I'm completely indifferent, not trying to start a VA vs MD thread. But, it does seem that there are subtle hints of that.

However, on the VA side, doesn't seem to be many with the intention of making the move to the MD side.

I think also housing prices reflect that. NoVA just seems through and through expensive (except for Prince William County)...whereas it seems MD has some pockets of all kinds of different prices.

On the other hand, with some pockets of lower prices, it seems inevitable that some of the VA folk who aren't looking at Prince William, might make a move towards MD instead.

Well, what do you think?

MD is becoming too liberal and in PG you're paying a lot in taxes and you most likely will still have to put your kid in private school.

[EdwardA]

Originally Posted by MDguy99

I disagree that Maryland is more similar to Pennsylvania. Geographically especially, it is nearly identical to VA- the Chesapeake, a shared Plantation history and vast farmland, Appalachia, Atlantic beaches ( one that is literally shared), Piedmont and coastal Eastern and Western Shores, booming suburbs surrounding the nation's capitol. Quite frankly, Virginia should have encompassed Maryland from the start and taken the entire Bay, but that's another topic. As far as attitudes of the people, I see that as a split win for both PA and VA - the people of Baltimore have a blue collar attitude more akin to Philly than, say, Richmond. However, the rural conservative nature of Maryland's "country" population is decidedly Chesapeake tidewater and can only reflect VA the best. The Appalachian people of all three states are similar in my view.

The whole Catholic/Protestant thing probably put a kibosh on VA and MD joining initially.

[EdwardA]

Originally Posted by DMV

Theres actually more Urban parts im PG than there are rual ones. Hyattsville and College park are just a couple of urban towns in PG. Lets not forget about places in PG like District Heights, Capitol Heights, Fairmomt Heights, Riverdale, Seat pleasant, New Carrolton, Lanham, Kentland, Glenarden, Palmer Park, Landover Hills, Mount Rainier, Suitland, Temple Hills, Oxonh hill, Greenbelt, Forest Heights, Bladensburg, and finally Cherry Hill which are all very urban and nothing like Accokeek. Those places take up about 75-80% of PG County's Population and there are way less rural places in PG than there are Urban ones.

Not too far from me (Temple Hills) there are folks that don't even have basic utility hook ups.

[MDguy99]

Originally Posted by EdwardA

The whole Catholic/Protestant thing probably put a kibosh on VA and MD joining initially.

Could have been- but that didn't stop Louisiana (or Texas for that matter). The strongly Catholic southern region is very different than the Bible-Belt Protestant areas to the north. However, I understand what you mean though because Maryland was FOUNDED as a colony TO BE a safe haven for Catholics.

[pgtvatitans]

Originally Posted by EdwardA

Not too far from me (Temple Hills) there are folks that don't even have basic utility hook ups.

What you have is people talking about places that they have never been or are not familiar with. Anybody that think Temple Hills is urban, is absolutely clueless. Like I said there is a small portion near the city, like Marlow Heights, that might be but most of Temple Hills is spread out and pretty much is just a SFH/garden apartment community. I think the problem with some of the comments is some people equate people's 'urban' mindset with the place they live in being urban. Just because there are crazy people living in these areas doing what is considered 'typical inner city activities' doesn't make it urban. If we're talking about the physical features of these places, then I think there are some people that just don't know Prince George's County. Heck there are people who have this same mindset that live in Fort Washington, but I don't think anyone is ready to call Fort Washington urban.

[DC's Finest]

From a cultural and demographic stand point, MD has more in common with Jersey than VA, NC or GA. Just look up anyone of the stats ranging from per capita income, richest counties, educated populace, etc. I hate when people act like Jersey is this urban mecca, when it's not. Nothing in Jersey is fast paced as DC. South Jersey is country too.

[MDguy99]

Originally Posted by DC's Finest

From a cultural and demographic stand point, MD has more in common with Jersey than VA, NC or GA. Just look up anyone of the stats ranging from per capita income, richest counties, educated populace, etc. I hate when people act like Jersey is this urban mecca, when it's not. Nothing in Jersey is fast paced as DC. South Jersey is country too.

Actually, wrong. "nothing in Jersey is as fast-paced as DC"? Please! You do not know North Jersey. Out of your list MD would have the most in common with VA. They SHARE common geography (Chesapeake, the Appalachians- NJ has neither) and SHARE a metro (DC) for Christ's sake! Apparantly, you didn't "look up" the per capita imcome very good, did you? Maryland is the wealthiest state overall, VIRGINIA has the wealthiest counties. They are tied intrinsically by DC wealth. You have obviously not spent years living in urban North Jersey like I did. I was ready to tear my brains out because of the fast pace and was looking forward to returning to CENTRAL Maryland for a SLOWER pace. Seeing how Central MD is the fastest part of the state that should tell you a lot. Now, South Jersey is comparable to the BALTIMORE suburbs, including Harford County, which aren't particularly slow. The "country" areas of Maryland are WAY slower than those of New Jersey overall. Not a very good comparison in my opinion. Virginia is the better comparison.