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Old 02-19-2012, 10:52 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Until there's far better Metro or other public transport access, no.

The high rollers this casino is aimed at won't be riding Metro.

Before everyone starts counting the money remember that the currently authorized slots parlors were supposed to be bringing the State $600M/year by now. Last year was less than $50M.

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Old 02-19-2012, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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A gambling house doesn't do baker's vision justice. Think of the Bellagio in las Vagas. Did people who saw ocean's Eleven call it a gambling house? It's a very posh hotel with top tier restaurants and a casino. These places are glorified in movies like Mission Impossible, James Bond Movies, etc. We're not talking about Dover Downs or even Maryland Live. Think Ceasars, Harrahs, Bellagio, etc.

I can see both sides as well. But the type of place considered wouldn't have crime issues because half of those who would be "hanging around" wouldn't be able to afford to be in the place. In addition, the security would be insane.

I'm not for or against at this point. We do need the jobs and the revenue. On the other hand, is this all we can do to improve things?
sounds douchey but you're right, it would probably not attract the riff-raff. and like ya said... it'd be nice if we could do more than just build a casino/hotel.

If we get the FBI HQ then I might just stick around for the long-haul in PG.
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Old 02-19-2012, 01:15 PM
 
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Until there's far better Metro or other public transport access, no.
Do gamblers use public transportation on a large scale?
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Old 02-19-2012, 01:26 PM
 
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A gambling house doesn't do baker's vision justice. Think of the Bellagio in las Vagas. Did people who saw ocean's Eleven call it a gambling house? It's a very posh hotel with top tier restaurants and a casino. These places are glorified in movies like Mission Impossible, James Bond Movies, etc. We're not talking about Dover Downs or even Maryland Live. Think Ceasars, Harrahs, Bellagio, etc.

I can see both sides as well. But the type of place considered wouldn't have crime issues because half of those who would be "hanging around" wouldn't be able to afford to be in the place. In addition, the security would be insane.

I'm not for or against at this point. We do need the jobs and the revenue. On the other hand, is this all we can do to improve things?
I think it should be considered a step towards improvement. There should definitely be a larger plan for economic development. Remember Prince George's County is huge. That said I could see developing a plan based on centers. Since the National Harbor has been successful in becoming an entertainment destination, I could see the county trying to build upon that and make that area an entertainment and cultural corridor. Just like UofM is attempting to make M Square a research area. Similarly, I could see them making the metros in New Carrollton, Greenbelt, Branch Ave. and Suitland public or private sector commercial districts. So to answer your question, no that is not all that we can do. We (the residents of PGC) need to make sure that our elected officials follow through on a grander vision for the county.
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:01 PM
 
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I agree with most on this post that this needs to be a small step in a much grander plan. I also hope that we will be able to capitalize on the relocation of federal agencies as well as larger corporations. The FBI would be nice but they wouldn't be coming until 2020 at the earliest. In the meantime, if done right, this would be a step towards a more diverse commercial base. With the outlet center already in play the casino should compliment the development well in terms of entertainment options. I am sure that for 1 billion dollars the development would not only include a casino and hotel but a performance venue as well(since that is a part of the bill). I would also think that they would recruit additional restaurants (similar to MD Live). If I had my wish the development would feature a hotel similar to the St. Regis Resort. Its upscale, has a strong international reputation and is owned by Starwood which already has some of its other brands there.
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:53 PM
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A Casino in the DC Metro region will be a goldmine. I bet Atlantic City will chime in on this too.
Frankly I don't get the opposition to casinos as far as image. Do casinos bring in more crime? I go to the Hollywood Casino every few months the immediate area doesn't seem crime ridden.
My biggest issue with this is the complete change of views Baker took on this. He was so vehemently opposed to this plan, so for him to suddenly want to promote it, seems like an act of desperation. It's as though he has run out of ideas to generate revenue. I think some people are over estimating the success that this can bring.

Yes it is true that this county doesn't have much to hurt it's image from where it already is, but that reputation is also what may prevent it from being a success. At least with Atlantic City it is an actual resort. As dumpy as I have heard Atlantic City is, it still has other things that can attract you. What does PG have? A convention center? The reason they are so desperate for this because they literally have nothing else to fall back on. Disney has backed out, the National Children's Museum is in limbo, so what is the draw to National Harbor?

As successful as the National Harbor has appeared, the success is relative to the rest of the county's development. If you go down to the National Harbor during the daytime, there isn't a lot happening. Unless you are there for a conference, there isn't much of a reason to go there. You add this onto the image that people have on this county, why would anyone want to come to PG? How many people would want to go gambling at a place that is notorious for people being robbed and carjacked? Not saying that this will happen, but this is the perception that this county has to deal with. How do you deal with that?

Another issue with this, is how close it is to Anne Arundel Mills. Anne Arundel Mills is only 34 miles away, and has a much better and more established reputation. If people are going to travel to gamble, you will have to find a way to compete with them? It would seem like the two could possible hurt each other given the closeness. I mean if people are not gambling at the casinos already built, are they going to draw enough people to go to both?

I just believe there is a better way. We're have this chicken or the egg battle with Baker. He believes expanding the tax base will increase revenue and quality of services, but honestly it seems like the only way this county can expand our tax base is if we improve our services first and make it more attractive. At least that's my opinion.
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Old 02-19-2012, 03:04 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Following on the above: expect Cordish (owners of the casino at Arundel Mills) to oppose this with everything they have. Also, O'Malley has expressed a lack of desire to establishing any more gambling venues before the ones already authorized are up and running. There are only 2 of 5 of those right now, in Cecil County and near Ocean City, with Arundel Mills slated to open this summer.

There also has to be a statewide vote amending the MD Constitution to allow more sites.
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Old 02-19-2012, 05:33 PM
 
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I say go for it and make sure you have a strict zoning code enforced so you don't get all kinds of seedy business's go up all around it. Virginia will never have Casinos that will give PG county one up on all the surrounding Va counties!
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Old 02-19-2012, 08:50 PM
 
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Following on the above: expect Cordish (owners of the casino at Arundel Mills) to oppose this with everything they have. Also, O'Malley has expressed a lack of desire to establishing any more gambling venues before the ones already authorized are up and running. There are only 2 of 5 of those right now, in Cecil County and near Ocean City, with Arundel Mills slated to open this summer.

There also has to be a statewide vote amending the MD Constitution to allow more sites.
I read that Cordish definitely plan on fighting any expansion which I find interesting. I get that he wants to be the only player in the game on the DC side but that goes against the whole free market/open competition philosophy of this country. That won't stop him from trying though. I also heard that O'Malley is lacks the desire for a new location as well as adding table games to the existing locations. However, it has also been stated by the MD House leaders, that he is going to have to have some flexibility if he wants to push his agenda forward. He is going to need PG, Montgomery and some of the other big counties on board to be successful in his campaign. That said, he is going to have to compromise on some level during this term. PG will have to make a decision if this will be one of its bargaining points
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Old 02-21-2012, 10:23 AM
 
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A Casino in the DC Metro region will be a goldmine. I bet Atlantic City will chime in on this too.
Frankly I don't get the opposition to casinos as far as image. Do casinos bring in more crime? I go to the Hollywood Casino every few months the immediate area doesn't seem crime ridden.

While I do agree that in the short-term a casino in this metro area would be a goldmine, I would still oppose the idea of a casino coming to PG. My thing about supporting a casino in PG has less to do with attracting riff-raff (which is mostly speculative), and more to do with the venue becoming a crutch in the future.

I’m from CT and I know how the economy there received a substantial boost from opening the 2 high stakes casino sites in the 90’s. Fast forward approximately 20 yrs. however, you’ll notice that rather than providing extra money to pad the state’s budget, these casinos are relied upon more than ever to make ends meet. Without the tax revenue provided by the casinos, CT would be in deep…deep trouble. The investors responsible for building the casinos know it too. Now because of this dynamic, the investors responsible for building the casinos are threatening to pull out unless the state renegotiates the current structure of their deal. In essence, the state is now being held hostage and there is nothing that it can do about it.

Prince George’s history of managing the budget and it’s spending in my opinion is horrible to say the least. I’m in no way morally opposed to casinos. In fact, in a vacuum I think it would be pretty cool to have a high stakes casino in the area. But, I seriously question the assertion that this is going to be the answer to PG’s money problems. If I were Rush Baker, I’d be pushing hard for this bill to pass too. It would at least take the heat off of the executive board that at this point hasn’t been able to cash in on any prospective new business for the county.

I get that this is an easy sell for most of the residents in PG. However, I would personally like to see PG’s executive board to show the ability to properly manage the county’s current budget before being handed over the responsibility of managing an estimated $50 million a yr. in extra cash flow. Otherwise, there is a distinct possibility that the county could fall into the same trap CT fell for almost 20 yrs. ago.
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