Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Just remember "approved site plans" doesn't mean "gonna get built".
We have a whole section of storage in our Town Hall dedicated to one developer's plans for just one property. The latest iteration is for a hotel/small convention or meeting facility. In just the last eight years it's gone from a 98 unit upscale condo development to a combination condo/hotel project to a 38 unit upscale townhouse project to what it is today. All had approved site plans and all were scheduled to break ground "in the Spring".
I agree. Which is why I was making the point that it is not always the county's fault for developments that seem to never materialize. Sometimes it's the developers who everyone is waiting on.
If a multi0billion dollar development is insignificant for a suburb, then please enlighten us on just what is significant? Second, who is placing their hopes and dreams on National Harbor? Maryland? PG? Right now, NH is having a modicum of success. But PG is not stopping there. Currently, there is a major push to develop other areas of the county especially near metro stations. Ever here of Konterra? East Campus? Hyattsville? All are major redevelopment initiatives currently underway that hasn't gotten the same press as NH. If there was ever a crown jewel of PG alone, NH would be it at the moment. Nothing else int he county compares to it.
Not sure why you mentioned major cities in your joke when NH is in a suburb of DC. You would have been better off using Crystal City or Tysons as a comparison. As far as casino's and strip malls, NH has more to offer than some other sites that have casinos. You just described Maryland Live!. A casino next to an outlet mall.
It is very very very very simple. We have heard the rara ciscoomba cheerleading for:
- Magic Johnson
- Fedex Field
- Landover Mall
- National Harbor
These have all been failures (you use the gentle term modium)......real jobs come from corporations. Ask yourself why NOVA isnt building out a national harbor or clamoring for a casino? They are busy fighting for the FBI and other SIs/corporations to call NOVA home. They dont care for or want this garbage.
PG county is compeltely backwards, and Natinoal Harbor will be yet another drop in the bucket. Where are the cuts for the corporations, why cant we lure a major corporation here?? (Not just warehouses and factories off of 202).
It is very very very very simple. We have heard the rara ciscoomba cheerleading for:
- Magic Johnson
I believe at the time the Magic Johnson theater was one of, if not then only new style theaters int he county. Nothing wrong with celebrating that. I'm not sure it is a failure. It's still in business.
Quote:
- Fedex Field
Not sure how this is a failure either. The county still gets money from operations at FedEx. The Redskins still play there. It's serving its intended purpose. Just recently, the county is about to rezone a parcel of land for development where the stadium may lose 800 spaces. And you ask any jurisdiction, even mighty VA if they want an NFL football stadium. All would say yes before you could finish the question. This is still a win for the county. Imagine if we didn't have the stadium.
Quote:
- Landover Mall
This is more on the owners of the property than the county. During its heyday, Landover Mall was pretty nice. I remember going there as a kid. Malls get old and need to be redeveloped or refurbished. The owners chose not to do that. Look what's happening at Laurel Mall. It's being torn down and converted to a town center. The owners of PG Plaza put millions into refurbishing and re-branding that mall.
Quote:
- National Harbor
If this is a failure, then what isn't a failure?
Quote:
These have all been failures (you use the gentle term modium)......real jobs come from corporations.
Hmmm. Corporations.....
Wal-Mart
McDonalds
Hotels
Banks
Restaurants
Target
Best Buy
Healthcare
Insurance
Casinos
Amusement parks
etc.
etc.
Quote:
Ask yourself why NOVA isnt building out a national harbor or clamoring for a casino?
There was an article a few weeks ago and it was on the news that Alexandria is considering redeveloping their harbor across the river from National Harbor.
Quote:
They are busy fighting for the FBI and other SIs/corporations to call NOVA home.
Guess you don't read the news where it is well known that PG is very much in the same fight.
Quote:
PG county is compeltely backwards, and Natinoal Harbor will be yet another drop in the bucket.
Get enough of those drops and your bucket starts getting full. Read about the OTHER projects going on throughout the county. The only reason why people are tunnel-vision on National Harbor is because of all the recent casino news. Do you know about the Physics Center In College Park which will be one of the most advanced in the world and will attract SCIENTISTS from around the world? How about the new NOAA build that just opened in College Park that will offer climate researchers more resources to study climate change. OR how about the new research hospital that will attract medical researchers and doctors? Drops in a bucket, but together, they start to paint a promising picture. There's not JUST a casino.
Quote:
Where are the cuts for the corporations, why cant we lure a major corporation here??
Looks like they just did with MGM. Every corporation doesn't have to move its headquarters to a certain place. Verizon is based in NJ. Yet, they have offices and data centers all over the country, including PG county. And tax cuts are usually a state-level issue which I hear Maryland is trying to fix to lure business back tot he state. IN addition, PG county does have its $50 million economic fund.
Quote:
(Not just warehouses and factories off of 202).
Factories are owned by corporations and require skilled labor.
Remember that the bar for PG county was and to some degree still is very low. I was happy to see a Wawa in Beltsville. It's that serious. No one can cherry-pick the types of jobs they want in their county when there are people unemployed. NOVA has enjoyed its success because that's where the defense industry got started. They built the Pentagon in Alexandria, not PG. Yet, they did put NASA in PG. Is that not good enough?
It is very very very very simple. We have heard the rara ciscoomba cheerleading for:
- Magic Johnson
- Fedex Field
- Landover Mall
- National Harbor
These have all been failures (you use the gentle term modium)......real jobs come from corporations. Ask yourself why NOVA isnt building out a national harbor or clamoring for a casino? They are busy fighting for the FBI and other SIs/corporations to call NOVA home. They dont care for or want this garbage.
Actually the waterfront redevelopment in Alexandria is their version of the National Harbor. Same with the Wharf in DC. Both those projects were fast tracked when they saw the success of the National Harbor in the DC market. Also, similar to FedEx Field, Loudon County is building a new stadium to house a B League soccer team. They were also campaigning for DC United but that didn't go anywhere. National Harbor isn't a failure. They said from the beginning that it would take 10 to 15 years for it to be fully realized. We are in year 4. These types of developments take time. Look at Tyson's Corner. When it first opened people thought that it was cool but felt it was in the middle of nowhere and had nothing to offer but the mall. Fast forward to today and you would be good to get to the highway from Tyson's 2 in under 40 minutes during rush hour. Even with its current success, NOVA needed go back the drawing board to make it more walkable and increase the residential elements of that area to make it more sustainable.
As for gov't agencies and corporations, we are pursuing the FBI just like every other jurisdiction. We are also on the short list for a couple of state agencies. And don't sleep on MGM, they are a Fortune 500 company that will be establishing a regional office here with an executive staff here. Combine that with the staff at the resort you will have a Fortune 500 company with a regional presence of over 4000 employees in Prince George's County. They have received numerous awards for their diversity efforts and community involvement.Their facility will be LEED gold certified which is something that is big in this area but is rarely pursued by developers in the county
Last edited by UrbanScholar; 11-21-2012 at 07:49 AM..
It is very very very very simple. We have heard the rara ciscoomba cheerleading for:
- Magic Johnson
- Fedex Field
- Landover Mall
- National Harbor
These have all been failures (you use the gentle term modium)......real jobs come from corporations. Ask yourself why NOVA isnt building out a national harbor or clamoring for a casino? They are busy fighting for the FBI and other SIs/corporations to call NOVA home. They dont care for or want this garbage.
PG county is compeltely backwards, and Natinoal Harbor will be yet another drop in the bucket. Where are the cuts for the corporations, why cant we lure a major corporation here?? (Not just warehouses and factories off of 202).
Did people actually think Magic Johnson Theater was going to save the county? I was out of the county at the time but if they did then things are more far gone than I thought. Folks must have been buying into his hype, still I wouldn't characterize it as a failure. Ditto for FedEx field and Nat'l Harbor, they serve their function but were never going to be lifesavers for the county. Just like the casino will not be a lifesaver.
Landover Mall is obviously a failure and simply mirrors the decline of the surrounding area not to mention the macro shift away from enclosed malls.
Uhhh. Nice try. But nope! The tone of vicnice's post was that adding a casino wouldn't improve National Harbor's current appeal. Hence the "joke" about a strip mall. My argument was that National Harbor was a multi-billion development that had more to offer in terms of it's proximity to DC, the river, convention center, a new museum, shops, restaurants, etc. I then used Maryland Live!, which was actually built next to an outlet mall, as the epitome of his statement in terms of having nothing appealing to offer in addition to a casino. That is unless people think Arundel Mills is just totally awesome.
If that wasn't the tone of his post, then I am prepared to stand corrected.l;
Uhhh. Nice try. But nope! The tone of vicnice's post was that adding a casino wouldn't improve National Harbor's current appeal. Hence the "joke" about a strip mall. My argument was that National Harbor was a multi-billion development that had more to offer in terms of it's proximity to DC, the river, convention center, a new museum, shops, restaurants, etc. I then used Maryland Live!, which was actually built next to an outlet mall, as the epitome of his statement in terms of having nothing appealing to offer in addition to a casino. That is unless people think Arundel Mills is just totally awesome.
If that wasn't the tone of his post, then I am prepared to stand corrected.l;
No, I say repeatedly in my posts that the Casino is not what the county needs. I dont care about the casino or the National Harbor for that matter. I do care about the misguided individuals that pour all of their time and effort into a Casino instead of luring real employers to the county.
I do not want to see PG county residents commuting to MoCo and NOVA for work I do not want to see poor school scores in PG I do not want to see high crime I do not want to see low property values and high foreclosure rates I do not want to see people getting dumped off from DC as it goes through gentrification into PG I do not want to see county members being the butt of jokes in NOVA because the stuff cash in bras or run from police at 100+ mph
These are the real issues that PG is having, and some stupid casino is not going to fix any of this garbage. The casino is furstrating to me because, rather than people bandiung together to get Federal Government jobs and corporations into the county, they band together to vote down gay marriage (black church) and vote for a casino. Great job PG!
Wake up people! We need more than 100 casinos could give to us. The title of the thread is about sobering business in PG county not about how a Casino rocks your socks (again more indication of the short sighted attitude of our citizens).
Go to the NOVA forum, and look at the comments about PG....we should be ashamed of how this county is run. Its a joke.
No, I say repeatedly in my posts that the Casino is not what the county needs. I dont care about the casino or the National Harbor for that matter. I do care about the misguided individuals that pour all of their time and effort into a Casino instead of luring real employers to the county.
I do not want to see PG county residents commuting to MoCo and NOVA for work I do not want to see poor school scores in PG I do not want to see high crime I do not want to see low property values and high foreclosure rates I do not want to see people getting dumped off from DC as it goes through gentrification into DC I do not want to see county members being the butt of jokes in NOVA because the stuff cash in bras or run from police at 100+ mph
These are the real issues that PG is having, and some stupid casino is not going to fix any of this garbage. The casino is furstrating to me because, rather than people bandiung together to get Federal Government jobs and corporations into the county, they band together to vote down gay marriage (black church) and vote for a casino. Great job PG!
Wake up people!
Again no one is saying that a casino is going to be the end all for the county. To that point no one effort being the corporations or government agencies are going to fix things. It will take a several efforts to turn around the perceptions and realities of the county. The question I ask you is how do you know that the county is not trying to lure other corporations and government agencies to the county or reduce the foreclosure rate, or high crime and the rest of your wish list. .Just because the media doesn't focus on these things doesn't mean that they are not happening. This county is large and diverse enough to have several types of industries including the casino that you are obviously against. Also though PG did vote down gay marriage it wasn't by much (4000 votes). A much narrower gap than what was polled earlier in the year. It should also be noted that, if you look at it district by district within the county the percentage of the margin that voted against it were significantly smaller than they county as a whole. As for what others are saying about PG, at the end of the day who cares. Are we to define ourselves by what others say? The reality is that you can complain about any state, city, county or neighborhood anywhere in the metro area. If the county is not meeting your expectations then become active in changing it or move to one of the areas that your admire.
Wal-Mart
McDonalds
Hotels
Banks
Restaurants
Target
Best Buy
Healthcare
Insurance
Casinos
Amusement parks
etc.
etc.
With all due respect....this list is representitive of any area where humans live in a society....youve got to try harder. I can generate this list in Anchorage, Alaska.....are they some financial powerhouse of the pacific NW? Nope.....
Quote:
Originally Posted by adelphi_sky
Get enough of those drops and your bucket starts getting full. Read about the OTHER projects going on throughout the county. The only reason why people are tunnel-vision on National Harbor is because of all the recent casino news. Do you know about the Physics Center In College Park which will be one of the most advanced in the world and will attract SCIENTISTS from around the world? How about the new NOAA build that just opened in College Park that will offer climate researchers more resources to study climate change. OR how about the new research hospital that will attract medical researchers and doctors? Drops in a bucket, but together, they start to paint a promising picture. There's not JUST a casino.
Looks like they just did with MGM. Every corporation doesn't have to move its headquarters to a certain place. Verizon is based in NJ. Yet, they have offices and data centers all over the country, including PG county. And tax cuts are usually a state-level issue which I hear Maryland is trying to fix to lure business back tot he state. IN addition, PG county does have its $50 million economic fund.
Factories are owned by corporations and require skilled labor.
Remember that the bar for PG county was and to some degree still is very low. I was happy to see a Wawa in Beltsville. It's that serious. No one can cherry-pick the types of jobs they want in their county when there are people unemployed. NOVA has enjoyed its success because that's where the defense industry got started. They built the Pentagon in Alexandria, not PG. Yet, they did put NASA in PG. Is that not good enough?
Fair points here. I am just very fustrated.
It takes alot for a single mom to drive to Herndon from Landover, and rush back to pick up her kids. Is she doing after school programs, or coming to parent teacher conferences? No. But the single mom that lives in Herndon 2 lights from her job is going to these events.
Guess who suffers? The mother, the children, and the community when people have to commute....then roll that over into poor schools, and high taxes (higher than our comfortable friends in NOVA are paying). People of PG should be outraged.....not glad that a Wawa is just getting built in Beltsville.
PG county leadership, and MD officials should be held to task to get projects started in the county.
You know the biggest indicator that nothing is in PG county.....9AM rush hour in PG.....never any traffic, cross the bridge and its bumper to bumper with PG and VA tags. Not cool man.....not cool.
Again no one is saying that a casino is going to be the end all for the county. To that point no one effort being the corporations or government agencies are going to fix things. It will take a several efforts to turn around the perceptions and realities of the county. The question I ask you is how do you know that the county is not trying to lure other corporations and government agencies to the county or reduce the foreclosure rate, or high crime and the rest of your wish list. .Just because the media doesn't focus on these things doesn't mean that they are not happening. This county is large and diverse enough to have several types of industries including the casino that you are obviously against.
When your kid brings you home bad grades, and you pop a gasket, should his response be "How do you know I am not already making straigh As this quarter"
Tell that to the kids of the 80s and 90s that grew up in lackluster conditions here in the county "just wait....something is coming"
Hope is not a plan. We need action.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
