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Old 08-11-2012, 09:34 PM
 
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From a legislative standpoint sure, that makes a ton of sense, but when it comes to the people voting, MGM really doesn't mean anything. They will bring revenue, but honestly they aren't going to bring the kind of jobs this state needs. I'm skeptical of this. I wouldn't be surprised if it pass, but I think that they have a tough road ahead of them. This isn't a slam dunk.[/quote]

Although the state may desire higher paying higher profile jobs the state is still loosing thousands of jobs a month. The loss of jobs also means a loss of payroll and income tax. That said the state (like many around the country) has become open to jobs at different tiers as are the people who are currently unemployed and need a job. I agree that it is not a brass ring and that it has a long road because after voting, if approved, there will still be a lot of protesting and lawsuits (remember where we live).
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Old 08-11-2012, 10:14 PM
 
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[quote=molukai;25594460]UrbanScholar, the only real roadblock is Anne Arundel. But even with as much dissent as possible, there is way too much of a push for this to pass through that they will be drowned out in any meaningful way. They cannot block this, even if it was their one and only agenda. Onward to progress!

They wouldn't be the only roadblock. I agree that it will probably pass this time. I even think that it will pass marginally in November. I do believe that there will be a significant amount of lawsuits from citizens, religious groups, and Penn if they don't get the license. That could slow development down significantly or potentially stop it if they can pile on enough red tape.
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Old 08-11-2012, 11:40 PM
 
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Anne Arundel County knows that if PG gets this site, it will hurt them a great deal. There is no way someone (well almost) from that county is going to support this legislation.
AS far as I'm concerned, Anne Arundel is trying to have its cake and eat it too. I know all of the counties can't be like Montgomery County, but come on. Anne Arundel has the NSA and a growing cyber security headquarters and all the contractors that will locate around it, which will be minimally affect by the DoD reductions. The government needs a stronger cyber security focus. I only see big things for the NSA and Anne Arundel county. So, I don't think they will be hurting all that much. They are in one of the best positions as far as government spending.
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Old 08-11-2012, 11:43 PM
 
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They wouldn't be the only roadblock. I agree that it will probably pass this time. I even think that it will pass marginally in November. I do believe that there will be a significant amount of lawsuits from citizens, religious groups, and Penn if they don't get the license. That could slow development down significantly or potentially stop it if they can pile on enough red tape.
And that therein lies the problem. Once it reaches the voting public, that should be it. The Senate passes it, the House passes it, the people pass it, end of story. All this appeal and back and forth is just a chance for people to gum up the system so they can get their wishes AGAINST the wishes of the people. That's why Maryland has a hard time attracting businesses. What developer wants to deal with all that while spending thousands on court and lawyer fees?
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Old 08-12-2012, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Fort Washington, MD
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I'm sorry adelphi_sky, I don't understand your syntax. If the system is being 'gummed' up so that things that the people (which I assume you mean the residents) are against still get passed anyway (which in this particular case is over the development of the casino), then it is to the advantage of the developer. If developers know they can get a favorable position if they throw enough money at PG County, then it is attractive. Thousands, tens of thousands is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
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Old 08-12-2012, 10:33 AM
 
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I'm sorry adelphi_sky, I don't understand your syntax. If the system is being 'gummed' up so that things that the people (which I assume you mean the residents) are against still get passed anyway (which in this particular case is over the development of the casino), then it is to the advantage of the developer. If developers know they can get a favorable position if they throw enough money at PG County, then it is attractive. Thousands, tens of thousands is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
He is not talking about the majority contesting the development. He is talking about the minority that use the legal system to block progress for whatever their reasons may be. Oftentimes they are not swayed by the money. They just want to achieve their objective. This is what happened with the National Harbor (and what is going on with other developments in the county). It took about 30 years and the property passing through the hands of several developers for it to actually come into fruition. Will this development come into existence? Probably but they will need to be prepared for a big fight from the religious communities; the neighborhoods immediately impacted by the project; and any applicants who did not win the bid. They will also have to contribute significantly to the transportation infrastructure and other pet projects to get the PG politicians on board.
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Old 08-12-2012, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Fort Washington, MD
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I see. Well, looks like at least the momentum is gaining at least. Maybe it will be a trend; we'll have to see what lies down the road!
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Old 08-12-2012, 11:47 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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I haven't read the legislation but is MGM a lock or does the franchise at National Harbor have to go through the same RFP process as the other venues?
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Old 08-12-2012, 12:32 PM
 
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It took about 30 years and the property passing through the hands of several developers for it to actually come into fruition.
That's why I feel there should be a statute of limitations. You have 12 months after the passage of the legislation and approval from the statewide referendum to state your case why the development shouldn't move forward. Within those 12 months, there can be hearings, etc. Letters can be drafted, etc. Then the appeal goes back to the legislature. They consider the appeal and vote again. If it passes, then that's it. The developer wins. Move forward. It should NOT take decades to make up your minds and say yes or no. Majority rules. Move on. Again, look at College Park. Perfect example of how this current process kills development in an otherwise vibrant, or what should be vibrant city. UMD has been there for over a hundred years. Come on people.

You know what would be a great statistic? Compare time to build between different jurisdictions in the D.C. area. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe a large development like NH or MGM should go from idea to construction in less than a few years, but decades is just insane. When you have all the players on board and you have the funding, etc. It's time to act. Or the opportunity will go elsewhere. This county is weird. You have people complaining about the lack of things to do, but will drag out the very thing they want until it either fails, or is a shell of the former idea. Wash, rinse, repeat.
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Old 08-12-2012, 12:40 PM
 
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That's why I feel there should be a statute of limitations. You have 12 months after the passage of the legislation and approval from the statewide referendum to state your case why the development shouldn't move forward. Within those 12 months, there can be hearings, etc. Letters can be drafted, etc. Then the appeal goes back to the legislature. They consider the appeal and vote again. If it passes, then that's it. The developer wins. Move forward. It should NOT take decades to make up your minds and say yes or no. Majority rules. Move on. Again, look at College Park. Perfect example of how this current process kills development in an otherwise vibrant, or what should be vibrant city. UMD has been there for over a hundred years. Come on people.

You know what would be a great statistic? Compare time to build between different jurisdictions in the D.C. area. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe a large development like NH or MGM should go from idea to construction in less than a few years, but decades is just insane. When you have all the players on board and you have the funding, etc. It's time to act. Or the opportunity will go elsewhere. This county is weird. You have people complaining about the lack of things to do, but will drag out the very thing they want until it either fails, or is a shell of the former idea. Wash, rinse, repeat.

The time frames for hearings are set out in COMAR that authorizes Planning and Zoning function. You have to change state law for some of what you propose. The times for public notice vary from 21 to 45 days, then the record is kept open for a specified period afterward.

Then you have the various Environmental Impact Statements, some of those can take years to develop.

Over all that is the right (notice the word) for persons of record or impact to file lawsuits.

Plus, and this is what you also have to consider, what sometimes looks good in the proposal stage turns sour when the numbers start getting crunched. That's what killed Disney, they didn't see the return on investment at NH they saw elsewhere.

Developers also will many times promise the moon to get approval and then start changing the project so what was approved isn't what ends up getting built. You saw that with a lot of condo developments the last few years that were transformed into apartment rentals. The market changed during construction.
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