Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Maryland > Washington, DC suburbs in Maryland
 [Register]
Washington, DC suburbs in Maryland Calvert County, Charles County, Montgomery County, and Prince George's County
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 08-26-2012, 05:26 PM
 
2,429 posts, read 3,552,424 times
Reputation: 395
Quote:
Originally Posted by molukai View Post
This is bad news for Maryland.
Not necessarily. Portmouth is about 3 hours from Dc and a different demo than nva so if they did go for it now the impact would not be that significant. Besides there are a lot of other variables that would shoot it down. The sponsoring party is not in the majority. It's near military bases that may not be in favor of its proximity. VA as a whole is more conservative and may be against it for the sake of morality. We will see though.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 08-26-2012, 05:41 PM
 
Location: DMV
10,125 posts, read 13,917,056 times
Reputation: 3222
Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanScholar View Post
Not necessarily. Portmouth is about 3 hours from Dc and a different demo than nva so if they did go for it now the impact would not be that significant. Besides there are a lot of other variables that would shoot it down. The sponsoring party is not in the majority. It's near military bases that may not be in favor of its proximity. VA as a whole is more conservative and may be against it for the sake of morality. We will see though.
I agree, doesn't seem like it would happen. That area is a little bit more liberal than most of VA, but even still, the rest of VA is going to have to come on board. The money that they would need to raise would have minimal impact on Portsmouth alone. It would affect the state as a whole and I can't see the state backing it up. And as you said, they already have industry there with the military, but really the shipyard which is really where most of the jobs are at down there.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-26-2012, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Fort Washington, MD
671 posts, read 1,540,152 times
Reputation: 620
It *is* bad news, potentially. Do not approach the concept in terms of a competitor casino being built in Portmouth. Think of it in respect to the current ongoing negotiations with MGM at National Harbor. These developments allow MGM's already abrasive negotiating skills to make bluffs that would now have to be taken seriously. You see, they could now make empty threats and simply say that unless they get more of what they want then they will just pack up and go to Virginia's open arms. Whether or not they actually would be serious in doing so would be irrelevant; such rhetoric would still invariably benefit them and give rise to a fear by PG County officials of losing such a strong financial and commercial anchor.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-27-2012, 06:57 AM
 
Location: DMV
10,125 posts, read 13,917,056 times
Reputation: 3222
Quote:
Originally Posted by molukai View Post
It *is* bad news, potentially. Do not approach the concept in terms of a competitor casino being built in Portmouth. Think of it in respect to the current ongoing negotiations with MGM at National Harbor. These developments allow MGM's already abrasive negotiating skills to make bluffs that would now have to be taken seriously. You see, they could now make empty threats and simply say that unless they get more of what they want then they will just pack up and go to Virginia's open arms. Whether or not they actually would be serious in doing so would be irrelevant; such rhetoric would still invariably benefit them and give rise to a fear by PG County officials of losing such a strong financial and commercial anchor.
Have you been to Portsmouth? My wife is from there and I go there quite often. If MGM uses Portsmouth as a bargaining chip, then I say they are probably the dumbest company in this nation. Portsmouth is dirt poor. It is one of the poorest parts of the Hampton Roads area. There is absolutely no comparison to having a casino in this region. As you probably know, I'm not really for casinos, but even I can admit that a National Harbor site, from a business standpoint is probably one of the best in the country. Hampton Roads economy is okay but it doesn't even touch the DC area. There is no way you're going to generate even half the money down there. If they use that as a bargaining chip, I would definitely call their bluff (no pun).
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-27-2012, 10:31 AM
 
2,429 posts, read 3,552,424 times
Reputation: 395
Quote:
Originally Posted by pgtitans View Post
Have you been to Portsmouth? My wife is from there and I go there quite often. If MGM uses Portsmouth as a bargaining chip, then I say they are probably the dumbest company in this nation. Portsmouth is dirt poor. It is one of the poorest parts of the Hampton Roads area. There is absolutely no comparison to having a casino in this region. As you probably know, I'm not really for casinos, but even I can admit that a National Harbor site, from a business standpoint is probably one of the best in the country. Hampton Roads economy is okay but it doesn't even touch the DC area. There is no way you're going to generate even half the money down there. If they use that as a bargaining chip, I would definitely call their bluff (no pun).
I heard portmouth was bad but I didn't know it was that bad. That would be a difficult sell.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-27-2012, 11:20 AM
 
Location: DMV
10,125 posts, read 13,917,056 times
Reputation: 3222
Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanScholar View Post
I heard portmouth was bad but I didn't know it was that bad. That would be a difficult sell.
It's being redeveloped now, but it has struggled for years. Anyone from that area will tell you, it is viewed similar to how PG is viewed in this region (at least in the past). They have had to sell land to surrounding cities just to stay afloat. The only places that would seem like viable options in that region to have a casino is Virginia Beach, Hampton and maybe Chesapeake, but if they chose Portsmouth, there really isn't much to draw people there. The median income per household down in Portsmouth is $36k, so that should give you a picture of what kind of money is there.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-27-2012, 03:26 PM
 
2,429 posts, read 3,552,424 times
Reputation: 395
Quote:
Originally Posted by pgtitans View Post
It's being redeveloped now, but it has struggled for years. Anyone from that area will tell you, it is viewed similar to how PG is viewed in this region (at least in the past). They have had to sell land to surrounding cities just to stay afloat. The only places that would seem like viable options in that region to have a casino is Virginia Beach, Hampton and maybe Chesapeake, but if they chose Portsmouth, there really isn't much to draw people there. The median income per household down in Portsmouth is $36k, so that should give you a picture of what kind of money is there.
That is interesting. I haven't seen median incomes like that since leaving the Midwest/south. So what is the vision for that area?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-27-2012, 03:32 PM
 
2,429 posts, read 3,552,424 times
Reputation: 395
Well it seems that Alexandria is anticipating an uptick in revenues also.

Betting on the impacts from a cross-river casino at National Harbor | AlexTimes
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-27-2012, 05:15 PM
 
Location: DMV
10,125 posts, read 13,917,056 times
Reputation: 3222
Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanScholar View Post
That is interesting. I haven't seen median incomes like that since leaving the Midwest/south. So what is the vision for that area?
Tearing down older, crime invested projects and building more modern apartment/condos/townhomes for professionals and/or young families. They also have a vibrant Old Town that has a lot of potential and it's right on the water, but they don't have a ton of retail down there and there isn't a whole lot there that would make you want to visit (they have a dine in theater and a sports bar but not much else). The biggest asset that Portsmouth has is it's location near Norfolk, which is the major city down there (Virginia Beach is too but Norfolk is more accessible). There are a lot of shipyard jobs in those areas so it helps that Portsmouth is centralize to most of the region and cheapest. But that's about all it has going for it right now. It will take years before it recovers from it's poor reputation. People from SE have looked at my wife funny when she has told them she's from Portsmouth. Yikes.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-28-2012, 08:59 AM
 
Location: It's in the name!
7,070 posts, read 9,494,352 times
Reputation: 3778
And it begins.....

MGM kicks in $2.4 million for gambling campaign


Quote:
Penn National Gaming, the owner of Rosecroft, has vowed to fight the ballot measure. The company contends that the deck is stacked against it, given that National Harbor has been championed as a location by Prince George’s County Executive Rushern L. Baker III (D).
To Penn National, I think it's called a competitive market. I mean it is fair to say that Penn may have never suspected a Las Vegas Casino operator to penetrate the Maryland market. I mean who would have thought 5 years ago we would be talking about an MGM casino in PG? But market forces are what they are. And you have to take the wins AND losses in stride. Even if a bid was set up, do you think the process would be competitive? MGM would win hands down. If Penn wants to be competitive, then how about proposing a $1B casino resort at National Harbor? Out-bid MGM. If you don't have the cash, then, better luck next time.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Settings
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2020 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Maryland > Washington, DC suburbs in Maryland
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top