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Old 09-19-2012, 10:43 PM
 
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I can't find any evidence that Maryland requires documented proof of citizenship in order to register to vote. You need a driver's license or MVA ID or the last 4 digits of your SSN. Similar ID or proof of residence may be required at the polls for some voters (not ones who have been registered and voting as long as I have, though. I don't think I've ever been asked for ID at the polls). The registration form does require you to state (and sign under penalty of perjury) that you are a US citizen, Maryland resident, etc.
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Old 09-20-2012, 06:50 AM
 
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I can't find any evidence that Maryland requires documented proof of citizenship in order to register to vote. You need a driver's license or MVA ID or the last 4 digits of your SSN. Similar ID or proof of residence may be required at the polls for some voters (not ones who have been registered and voting as long as I have, though. I don't think I've ever been asked for ID at the polls). The registration form does require you to state (and sign under penalty of perjury) that you are a US citizen, Maryland resident, etc.
You are right. It doesn't make a lot of sense. It says on the form that you must be a US Citizen, but by only taking the last 4 of the SSN, there isn't room to check. Maybe they think the process for SSN or getting Driver's License is enough to prove one's citizenship, but there are definitely loopholes.
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Old 09-20-2012, 08:18 AM
 
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You are right. It doesn't make a lot of sense. It says on the form that you must be a US Citizen, but by only taking the last 4 of the SSN, there isn't room to check. Maybe they think the process for SSN or getting Driver's License is enough to prove one's citizenship, but there are definitely loopholes.
I did some reading on this. The documentation is intended to prove residency and identity, not citizenship. They will basically take your word for it on citizenship, at least at point of registration.

Apparently the thinking is that proof of citizenship would present a greater barrier to legitimate voters than the size of any issues related to those willing to perjure themselves by saying they are citizens when they are not. There are also reviews of the rolls of registered voters done to cross-check these things. When Florida reviewed its rolls of registered voters, they found only one noncitizen on the rolls.
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Old 09-20-2012, 08:37 AM
 
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Again didn't disagree. I just think it's rare that someone would have a SSN, be a non citizen and be able to vote.
It would be incredibly rare; non-citizens can't vote. Isn't that what you are trying to do? (no)
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Old 09-20-2012, 08:40 AM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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Dems push affidavits instead of voter IDs - The Hill's Ballot Box

I like this plan. It's constitutional and does the exact same thing voter ID proponents say they want to do.
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Old 09-20-2012, 01:37 PM
 
Location: White Plains, Maryland
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Dems push affidavits instead of voter IDs - The Hill's Ballot Box

I like this plan. It's constitutional and does the exact same thing voter ID proponents say they want to do.

I just really don't see how that would make a difference... Just bc bad penalties could be assessed... Doesn't mean anyone, after the fact, is going to be checking.


Why Not... When a person registers to vote, they can get their picture taken when they register and that be on file... And all the information provided with registration is confirmed prior to elections, maybe updated every so often.
Or if they are sending in their registration, they can also send in a recent picture of themselves. And when people go to vote, the folks that pull up their names, can have a photo along with their other information just to confirm?

Then that info is on file and the small percentage of people that don't have or need or want ID don't have to get one.
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Old 09-20-2012, 05:48 PM
 
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I just really don't see how that would make a difference... Just bc bad penalties could be assessed... Doesn't mean anyone, after the fact, is going to be checking.


Why Not... When a person registers to vote, they can get their picture taken when they register and that be on file... And all the information provided with registration is confirmed prior to elections, maybe updated every so often.
Or if they are sending in their registration, they can also send in a recent picture of themselves. And when people go to vote, the folks that pull up their names, can have a photo along with their other information just to confirm?

Then that info is on file and the small percentage of people that don't have or need or want ID don't have to get one.
I agree it isn't much different than what they already do.

I like your idea a lot though. It would make things easier but I think the number one complaint would be how much longer the process would be to register.
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Old 09-20-2012, 06:26 PM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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I just really don't see how that would make a difference... Just bc bad penalties could be assessed... Doesn't mean anyone, after the fact, is going to be checking.


Why Not... When a person registers to vote, they can get their picture taken when they register and that be on file... And all the information provided with registration is confirmed prior to elections, maybe updated every so often.
Or if they are sending in their registration, they can also send in a recent picture of themselves. And when people go to vote, the folks that pull up their names, can have a photo along with their other information just to confirm?

Then that info is on file and the small percentage of people that don't have or need or want ID don't have to get one.
Not bad. But how do we know every single polling worker will be fair? What if a prejudiced person just says "well this photo doesn't really look like you, you can't vote." this person is a volunteer or a temporary worker who makes about $13\hr. do we really want to give that person this authority?
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Old 09-22-2012, 08:25 PM
 
Location: White Plains, Maryland
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Not bad. But how do we know every single polling worker will be fair? What if a prejudiced person just says "well this photo doesn't really look like you, you can't vote." this person is a volunteer or a temporary worker who makes about $13\hr. do we really want to give that person this authority?
I mean....you could say that about anything though? Sometimes we have to trust people to be able to do their jobs correctly.... Make them sign something saying they are going t be honest. Maybe any denial needs a supervisors approval or second opinion?
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