Maryland's Anti-Business Obssessive Compulsive Disorder (Rockville, California: sales, rental, safe neighborhood)

[adelphi_sky]

Originally Posted by vicnice

Sure, we can tax crack too.....thats better than $0 new revenue right??

Horrible comeback. lol Try again.You're comparing a resort with a casino to crack.

There are plenty of multi billion dollar companies offering jobs, revenue and tourism, they just arent offering htem to PG County.

Show me. Show me a company that is offering a total 100 jobs or more, $50 million or more in revenue, and thousands of tourists right now, in Maryland. That's only 25% of what MGM is projecting to make it easy for you. Go for it.

PG county can do better,t his is an admission of defeat to the rest of the DMV.

Yeah. Sure. 4000 jobs $200 million in revenue, and increased tourism is a defeat. lol

Hotel
Shops
Restaurants
Theater
Spa
Casino

Hmmmmmmm.

Let's see. Baltimore Harbor become a cruise port. Basically, every cruise ship is a floating resort WITH a casino. Nobody cried fail there did they? If a casino/resort is a fail, so are sports stadiums. People waste money watching the Redskins lose. Nationals Stadium is a fail. Ravens Stadium is a fail. IF you think those jobs are high income, think again. Let's see. Movie theaters are a fail. Other hotel/convention centers are a fail. They just offer hospitality jobs. Etc, etc. etc.

[EdwardA]

Look folks this isn't really that difficult. What exactly did the State of Virginia specifically do to make itself more appealing to business? Can anyone tell me?

My point is business generation is simply not a function of government. A state can set a climate through government policy and taxation that either enhances or discourages business creation but that doesn't guarentee success or failure. Chicago has some pretty severe corporate and income taxes but it still is a major job center. We all know the stories of California yet it still hosts major global corporations. Conversely Mississippi has anti-union laws but little industry.

Maryland has top schools, a highly educated workforce and top income levels. The areas of the state where these attributes are concentrated also have a proponderence of the economic activity in the state. The areas that don't have little economic activity. Casinos won't change that neither will shiny shopping destinations. Addressing the fundamentals are the only things that are going to generate the type of development people want and the development will come to them. Few businesses worth their salt is going to setup shop on Southern Avenue even with the Metro nearby unless the surrounding area improves for example.

Someone up thread wrote up a good post and mentioned Rivertowne Shopping Center. On a macro-level such centers are facing declines shopping habits have changed on a microlevel it's survival is dependent on the people who go there or more accurately the people who refuse to go there. There's no conspiracy just the brutal realities of the marketplace.

[EdwardA]

Originally Posted by adelphi_sky

Horrible comeback. lol Try again.You're comparing a resort with a casino to crack.



Show me. Show me a company that is offering a total 100 jobs or more, $50 million or more in revenue, and thousands of tourists right now, in Maryland. That's only 25% of what MGM is projecting to make it easy for you. Go for it.



Yeah. Sure. 4000 jobs $200 million in revenue, and increased tourism is a defeat. lol

Hotel
Shops
Restaurants
Theater
Spa
Casino

Hmmmmmmm.

Let's see. Baltimore Harbor become a cruise port. Basically, every cruise ship is a floating resort WITH a casino. Nobody cried fail there did they? If a casino/resort is a fail, so are sports stadiums. People waste money watching the Redskins lose. Nationals Stadium is a fail. Ravens Stadium is a fail. IF you think those jobs are high income, think again. Let's see. Movie theaters are a fail. Other hotel/convention centers are a fail. They just offer hospitality jobs. Etc, etc. etc.

I voted yes to 7 too but do you really think there will be a critical mass of tourists coming specifically to this new casino? I mean do you believe a family from say the Midwest taking in the sites in DC is just going to jet off to PG and gamble?

Casinos are all over the country now you don't have to travel too far to go to one. I've lived in Detroit, NYC, Rochester and now PG and I've never been more than 2 hours driving distance from a full service casino. This is why Atlantic City and Vegas are struggling people don't have to go there to gamble anymore.

[adelphi_sky]

Originally Posted by EdwardA

I voted yes to 7 too but do you really think there will be a critical mass of tourists coming specifically to this new casino?

Well, yes. MGM seems to think so. So does Penn National. There's $90 Million dollars on campaigns alone that says there will be a critical mass of visitors.

I mean do you believe a family from say the Midwest taking in the sites in DC is just going to jet off to PG and gamble?

Yes. Especially when they jet of to Las Vegas specifically for that reason. Only that there is much more to see in DC than Las Vegas.

This is why Atlantic City and Vegas are struggling people don't have to go there to gamble anymore.

This is true. But that is their ONLY industry. Gambling. At least Atlantic City offers a beach. DC has a lot more to its economy than Atlantic City and Las Vegas.

[UrbanScholar]

Originally Posted by pgtitans

I was referring to your response about adelphi's point. I understand what you saying, but it sounded as though you were trying to say that now that the elections are over that there needs to a greater push to improve the business environment. All I was stating is that the casino is coming, nothing has changed with the business environment. They will still face the same challenges they did before. I'm sure they were doing the same things prior to elections but it doesn't seem completely feasible that much would change especially if we do go into another recession. MD would have to do a lot to not only improve the business environment but also to convince companies that they are changing.

Assessing what real impact the approval of a casino will have on PGC cannot occur until after its been operating for a few years (after 2020). Now that the election is over PGC leadership can and should re-direct their attention to soliciting other industries in establishing a presence within the county. There are definitely challenges since the private sector is extremely cautious right now and that won't change anytime soon. I also agree that MD has to re-brand and market itself. Our leaders should really capitalize on the attention brought to MD from the results of the election. That combined with revising some of the laws and regulations on business would go a long way in expanding our commercial tax base.

[vicnice]

Originally Posted by adelphi_sky

Horrible comeback. lol Try again.You're comparing a resort with a casino to crack.



Show me. Show me a company that is offering a total 100 jobs or more, $50 million or more in revenue, and thousands of tourists right now, in Maryland. That's only 25% of what MGM is projecting to make it easy for you. Go for it.



Yeah. Sure. 4000 jobs $200 million in revenue, and increased tourism is a defeat. lol

Hotel
Shops
Restaurants
Theater
Spa
Casino

Hmmmmmmm.

Let's see. Baltimore Harbor become a cruise port. Basically, every cruise ship is a floating resort WITH a casino. Nobody cried fail there did they? If a casino/resort is a fail, so are sports stadiums. People waste money watching the Redskins lose. Nationals Stadium is a fail. Ravens Stadium is a fail. IF you think those jobs are high income, think again. Let's see. Movie theaters are a fail. Other hotel/convention centers are a fail. They just offer hospitality jobs. Etc, etc. etc.

Horrible comeback to a horrible point. PG county can do better and casinos don't make the difference. How's Atlantic city saving New Jersey (or it's local county). Any place with casinos is not surrounded by fortune 500 businesses where real money is. Blah blah retail and tourists heard the same with magic Johnson and National Harbor and Fedex before the failed projects.

It's an admission of defeat, and it's dropping a pebble in a lake.

How many casinoes does wall street or silicon valley have. We need real jobs, also.....12,000 jobs is a joke that's temp....long term is probably closer to 1-2K. We need real jobs.....real jobs not casinos.


Why isn't NOVA fighting for this??? They are busy fighting for the FBI.....you can keep the tables.... I will take the jobs and safe neighborhoods they sustain.

[Tom Lennox 70]

Another example of Maryland's business unfriendly is the push for environmentalism over jobs. Looks like Sparrows Point steel in Baltimore County will not find a new buyer because of all the environmental cleanup requirements any new buyer would have to inherit from the past. And then there is the state government's refusal to allow natural gas fracking in Western Maryland which will bring many jobs to the area. Planmaryland also hurts the economies of rural areas in the state. O'Malley is also going after Perdue chicken on the Eastern Shore.

[coldbliss]

Originally Posted by Tom Lennox 70

And then there is the state government's refusal to allow natural gas fracking in Western Maryland which will bring many jobs to the area.

Good. Means people won't get cancer by drinking or bathing with water.

Originally Posted by Tom Lennox 70

Planmaryland also hurts the economies of rural areas in the state. O'Malley is also going after Perdue chicken on the Eastern Shore.

Good. Runoff pollution from chicken factories destroys plant life, kills animals, makes people sick and many other horrible things. Not to mention, the working conditions in those places are one step above Auschwitz.

Environmental regulations exist for a reason. 1. To protect human life. 2. To protect animal life. 3. To prevent damage to private property. 4. Prevent toxins from entering natural waterways above and below ground.

Sorry but living, breathing people and a functioning biological planet trumps a stupid paycheck.

[InvaderBryce]

Originally Posted by coldbliss

Good. Means people won't get cancer by drinking or bathing with water.

There is nothing wrong with fracking.

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by coldbliss

Good. Means people won't get cancer by drinking or bathing with water.



Good. Runoff pollution from chicken factories destroys plant life, kills animals, makes people sick and many other horrible things. Not to mention, the working conditions in those places are one step above Auschwitz.

Environmental regulations exist for a reason. 1. To protect human life. 2. To protect animal life. 3. To prevent damage to private property. 4. Prevent toxins from entering natural waterways above and below ground.

Sorry but living, breathing people and a functioning biological planet trumps a stupid paycheck.

Never had a real job, eh?

So your solution is to allow those areas to wither away to became playgrounds for the enlightened elite (such as yourself) while driving out the residents with increased costs for everything? Gotcha.

Likening factory work to Auschwitz is offensive, by the way.