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Just a note to throw in a variable: Over 1/2 of the students in PGCPS qualify for and receive Free And Reduced Meals at school. The standard and accepted under count (students eligible but not receiving) for FARM is 15%.
So if you are a casino owner and had to pick a region, you wouldn't pick the richest part of the region? Or at least centralize your location to be close to the wealthy?
Where do you think NH is? The coast? Hell, Alexandrians can walk to the casino over the Woodrow Wilson Bridge. Those in McLean and Tysons would only have to drive less than half of the Beltway to reach National Harbor. 25 minutes. The entire Beltway suburbs are within 30 minutes of NH. How much closer to you want it to be? Tysons? Would that be better? Wealthy people have the means to travel to where they want to go. So do middle income families. A casino doesn't have to be located in their back yard for it to be accessible to them. Which is why an entertainment complex on the banks of the Potomac is considered prime.
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The optimal place would be the place where the highest incomes are, would it not?
NH is located within 30 minutes of the wealthiest counties and one of the most visited cities in the nation.
NH is located within 30 minutes of the wealthiest counties and one of the most visited cities in the nation.
NH is located within 30 minutes of the wealthiest counties and one of the most visited cities in the nation.
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I would encourage you to understand what poverty means. Poverty isn't high in this area because of the cost of living. If you make $35,000 or less in this area, you would struggle, but in another area, you would live more comfortably. That's why I say when someone says poor, it's relative to what they are referring to. None of those places are poor. I NEVER SAID THEY WERE!!!!! I said COMPARED TO other parts of the region, they are, well at least some of them.
Well gee PGtitans, are they poor or aren't they? You vehemently state that you didn't say those places were poor. But in the very same sentence you say they are compared to other parts of the region. You just failed in your argument again. Any economist would tell you that any area with median household income above the national average, no matter where they are located is not considered a poor area. You do know that don't you? Yes. Some households have more than one person living off of that median income. And we can argue where those specific families are located that are stretched to the point of being in poverty. There are people considered wealthy with more debt than assets living paycheck to paycheck. But to say that PG is a bad location because you can find people that are in poverty is not a strong argument.
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Comparing the poverty rate in Detroit is apples and oranges. If someone says that PG is poor compared to the rest of the country they would be wrong, but compared to other parts of the region they would be accurate.
Wrong. You and I really do live in separate universes. lol I will only accept that PG, as a county, has a lower median household income than some of the more wealthy counties in the area. That is a valid argument. But it is impossible to reconcile PG and poor when it is regarded as #69 in 100 of the wealthiest counties and has a median income comfortably above the national average. Let go of that term poor, and we have a discussion because the label contradicts the census data freely accessible to everyone. I'll even agree with PG being squarely middle-class.
When ranked against counties in MD PG ranks 14th with 1 having the highest poverty rate. In 2008 compared with the rest of the country? Out of 3140 counties, PG ranks........2877 with 1 having the highest poverty rate in the country. Or, in other terms, it ranked 263 in terms of having the lowest poverty. That means it ranks in the top 12% in terms of lowest poverty rate at 8.1%. Today, as you stated, the rate is even lower at 7.9%. The math is clear.
Just a note to throw in a variable: Over 1/2 of the students in PGCPS qualify for and receive Free And Reduced Meals at school. The standard and accepted under count (students eligible but not receiving) for FARM is 15%.
That is an interesting statistic, but how does that correlate in terms of poverty when PG county even compared to other counties in the state ranks outside of the top ten counties with the highest percentage of poverty? This argument would be moot if PG was Baltimore City. Apparently it's not according the the census.
We can go back and forth all day with stats and rankings and math. What it all boils down to is NH is NOT located in an impoverished poor suburb of DC. I'm amazed at the great lengths some people are going to point out something that isn't true. lol At least I thought we could agree that PG county wasn't a poor county. Even by census standards.
That is an interesting statistic, but how does that correlate in terms of poverty when PG county even compared to other counties in the state ranks outside of the top ten counties with the highest percentage of poverty? This argument would be moot if PG was Baltimore City. Apparently it's not according the the census.
We can go back and forth all day with stats and rankings and math. What it all boils down to is NH is NOT located in an impoverished poor suburb of DC. I'm amazed at the great lengths some people are going to point out something that isn't true. lol At least I thought we could agree that PG county wasn't a poor county. Even by census standards.
I agree that Prince George's isn't "poor", but do high incomes skew the averages upward (on a County-wide basis)? That's why I threw in the FARM stat.
The same issue is in every County, a relatively few high incomes can skew the average up so the numbers look better than they really are when you're on the gorund.
Just a note to throw in a variable: Over 1/2 of the students in PGCPS qualify for and receive Free And Reduced Meals at school. The standard and accepted under count (students eligible but not receiving) for FARM is 15%.
North Beach, that stat is not a good gauge since a significant number of people skew their income to game that system. That practice was infamous at my son's elementary school and a common conversation at his sports events. Mind you the people that were telling me how to do it were leaving the field in mercedes and lexus.
I agree that Prince George's isn't "poor", but do high incomes skew the averages upward (on a County-wide basis)? That's why I threw in the FARM stat.
The same issue is in every County, a relatively few high incomes can skew the average up so the numbers look better than they really are when you're on the gorund.
Well again, it's relative. We can "look" at PG on the ground and see that there are just as many nice enclaves as there are run down areas. I think people in this area have their perceptions skewed because of the high wealth of the area where even relatively wealthy incomes areas would seem.....poorer to them. And the very fact that PG does have a sufficient number of high incomes to offset the lower incomes, then overall, the county is not poor. We could apply that argument to a relatively wealthy county where you have executive salaries of $500,000 to offset salaries of $25,000. Strictly in terms of poverty, which is the argument PGtitans used, PG is not considered to be a poor county.
North Beach, that stat is not a good gauge since a significant number of people skew their income to game that system. That practice was infamous at my son's elementary school and a common conversation at his sports events. Mind you the people that were telling me how to do it were leaving the field in mercedes and lexus.
I know that. But that number is what is used in HSA data collection, disaggregation of scores and determination of meeting AYP standards, designating Title I schools, distribution of funds under the new Student Based Budgeting (SBB) now being used by the School Board to allocate funding to individual schools and a myriad of other funding mechanisms.
I know that. But that number is what is used in HSA data collection, disaggregation of scores and determination of meeting AYP standards, designating Title I schools, distribution of funds under the new Student Based Budgeting (SBB) now being used by the School Board to allocate funding to individual schools and a myriad of other funding mechanisms.
I get your point. What I am saying is just as high income earners can skew the median income so can equating free lunch eligibility to low income/poor families in an area.
I can't tell if this is some kind of schtick or this is how you really are. Reading doesn't seem like it's your favorite subject because you have glossed over everything I said and missed the point that I made.
I never said PG was poor. I've said that repeatedly that it's not poor.
Have you ever heard of an analogy? Do you know the difference between an analogy and a statement?
I never said National Harbor was a bad location. Do you know what optimal means?
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Where do you think NH is? The coast? Hell, Alexandrians can walk to the casino over the Woodrow Wilson Bridge. Those in McLean and Tysons would only have to drive less than half of the Beltway to reach National Harbor. 25 minutes. The entire Beltway suburbs are within 30 minutes of NH. How much closer to you want it to be? Tysons? Would that be better? Wealthy people have the means to travel to where they want to go. So do middle income families. A casino doesn't have to be located in their back yard for it to be accessible to them. Which is why an entertainment complex on the banks of the Potomac is considered prime.
NH is located within 30 minutes of the wealthiest counties and one of the most visited cities in the nation.
NH is located within 30 minutes of the wealthiest counties and one of the most visited cities in the nation.
NH is located within 30 minutes of the wealthiest counties and one of the most visited cities in the nation.
Wouldn't Tyson's Corner technically be more optimal from a standpoint of being closer to wealth? You would be in one of the top 10 wealthiest counties in the nation, you would be within 10 miles of Montgomery County and within 10 miles of the wealthiest county in the nation. How far is Loudoun from PG? How likely is someone from Leesburg or Ashburn to make that drive to PG as opposed to Tysons?
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Well gee PGtitans, are they poor or aren't they? You vehemently state that you didn't say those places were poor. But in the very same sentence you say they are compared to other parts of the region. You just failed in your argument again. Any economist would tell you that any area with median household income above the national average, no matter where they are located is not considered a poor area. You do know that don't you? Yes. Some households have more than one person living off of that median income. And we can argue where those specific families are located that are stretched to the point of being in poverty. There are people considered wealthy with more debt than assets living paycheck to paycheck. But to say that PG is a bad location because you can find people that are in poverty is not a strong argument.
Again do you understand the difference between an analogy and a statement? Let me help you because you don't seem to understand the difference.
3000 square foot townhome is large, but compared to a 30,000 square foot mansion, that townhome is small.
Saying the townhome is large is a statement.
Saying that townhome is small compared to a mansion is an analogy.
Okay class, let's apply this to our current topic.
Prince George's County is the 69th wealthiest county in the country, but Loudoun, Fairfax, Prince William, Montgomery, Arlington, Howard, St Mary's, Calvert and Fauquier County are all in the top 15 of wealthiest counties in the nation. Compared to those counties Prince George's County is the poorest counties in the region
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Originally Posted by adelphi_sky
Wrong. You and I really do live in separate universes. lol I will only accept that PG, as a county, has a lower median household income than some of the more wealthy counties in the area. That is a valid argument. But it is impossible to reconcile PG and poor when it is regarded as #69 in 100 of the wealthiest counties and has a median income comfortably above the national average. Let go of that term poor, and we have a discussion because the label contradicts the census data freely accessible to everyone. I'll even agree with PG being squarely middle-class.
Uh huh.
That is the only argument that I have made.....
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Originally Posted by adelphi_sky
When ranked against counties in MD PG ranks 14th with 1 having the highest poverty rate. In 2008 compared with the rest of the country? Out of 3140 counties, PG ranks........2877 with 1 having the highest poverty rate in the country. Or, in other terms, it ranked 263 in terms of having the lowest poverty. That means it ranks in the top 12% in terms of lowest poverty rate at 8.1%. Today, as you stated, the rate is even lower at 7.9%. The math is clear.
PG is not poor. That is all.
Show me where I said that PG was poor.
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