12-05-2012, 05:11 PM
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No time is being wasted to lobby for the new FBI headquarters. Below are the next in a series of articles on the subject. The first discusses why PGC is a viable location and the other speaks to the endorsement of VA Reps in lobbying for it to be located in NOVA. What are your thoughts.
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“Prince George’s County would be an amazingly good decision, in the right place,” said David Robertson, executive director of the Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments.
Put the FBI headquarters in Prince George’s - The Washington Post
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A group of Virginia members of Congress have a message for the General Services Administration: Give us the FBI.
Congress members push for FBI move to Northern Virginia - The Washington Post
12-05-2012, 10:13 PM
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Clearly the PG article makes a much more detailed and compelling argument. I think the point about the Quantico site having an academy makes sense too. It's really hard to say which direction they may go. I think PG would be best serves to sell the Branch Avenue, Largo or Greenbelt sites as the locations to go. Those are all good areas and have a better chance of competing. But if you pick some place like Naylor Road, you will have no chance.
12-05-2012, 11:39 PM
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Clearly the PG article makes a much more detailed and compelling argument. I think the point about the Quantico site having an academy makes sense too. It's really hard to say which direction they may go. I think PG would be best serves to sell the Branch Avenue, Largo or Greenbelt sites as the locations to go. Those are all good areas and have a better chance of competing. But if you pick some place like Naylor Road, you will have no chance.
Agreed. The Quantico site does make sense from a proximity standpoint but from what I recall that traffic (like the rest of NOVA) is nothing to play with. Also what metro would be close to that site and does it fall within the 2 mile radius previously required? Marketing of PG should definitely focus on the stations mentioned. I agree with the writer that picking a location that would provide a reverse commute for the area would be the best path and could serve as a catalyst for development in that surrounding area. I guess we will get a better idea of their direction when the proposals come out in Feb/Mar and when the actual RFP comes out which will probably be in 2014/2015.
12-06-2012, 05:54 AM
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Agreed. The Quantico site does make sense from a proximity standpoint but from what I recall that traffic (like the rest of NOVA) is nothing to play with. Also what metro would be close to that site and does it fall within the 2 mile radius previously required? Marketing of PG should definitely focus on the stations mentioned. I agree with the writer that picking a location that would provide a reverse commute for the area would be the best path and could serve as a catalyst for development in that surrounding area. I guess we will get a better idea of their direction when the proposals come out in Feb/Mar and when the actual RFP comes out which will probably be in 2014/2015.
The Quantico site is where FBI training is. The argument is being made that it would be easier to commute between the training site and Springfield if the FBI was there. I don't think they are suggesting moving the FBI down there though, they are making the argument for the Springfield location.
The reverse commute argument makes sense but to be honest with you, for someone that has worked in both MD and VA, I don't think the traffic is that much better on the MD side. Granted, these days there are noticeably more cars going into VA than there were a few years ago (Wilson Bridge is getting back up daily now, more on this in another thread), I don't think it's as much of an issue. Another point that is being lost about moving it to Springfield is that the VRE is there and commuter buses from far out counties can take either the HOV or HOT lanes there to Springfield without issue. MD is behind the 8 ball on this. I could live in places like Stafford County or Prince William County and make a commuter bus trip up to Springfield in about 20-30 minutes in rush hour traffic. Meanwhile all Prince George's County has is just metro stations (with the exception of about 2 that have the MARC train)?
Let's be hypothetical. Let's say that they decided to move the FBI to Branch Avenue. What kind of commute would it be like for people who are coming from southern MD? Branch Avenue as is right now is already an awful, awful commute because of the lack of public transportation access from those southern parts, so those issues become exacerbated with adding an agency that will bring 1000s of new workers. Quality of life would drastically change and an unhappy work force would ensue. Is that Prince George's County's fault? I actually don't think this has anything to do with PG. I think this has more to do with poor planning on Charles County's part and because PG is sandwiched in between, this county will have to pay for road maintenance on all of those roads and there doesn't appear to be at least a light rail or a HOV type set up coming anytime soon.
Largo is a good location just because it's near some major roads, but if there are people that don't live in Prince George's County, it will be a long drive/train commute because it is really right smack in the middle of the county. Definitely a trade off but there is some solid infrastructure there that would make it a good location, although I don't think PG is pushing Largo.
Greenbelt is the best opportunity because it is legitimately one of the places that the workforce would probably consider living if they lived within the county. It also has the Metro and MARC trains, which would open up the market for workers who live in the Baltimore area and I believe some workers have actually used the VRE and MARC trains combined to get to work so it doesn't leave VA out either. That to me should be really the only place the county should be pushing for.
12-06-2012, 10:49 AM
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FBI has got to come to PG County. It just makes a ton of sense and I think Greenbelt metro would be the best place for it.
12-06-2012, 12:24 PM
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Norton's comment would be expected from any local official. She's an expert on FBI operations or just wants to protect DC interests (as is her job)? The "last" agency they want to move from DC? Hyperbole? How many FBI personnel need to go to Capitol Hill on a daily basis, and how much of a difference would being in PG make? Why is the CIA allowed to be out in Langley? Would security for the FBI building be better in PG?
12-06-2012, 04:46 PM
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Well, this guy certainly lays it all out there doesn't he?
Will the FBI relocate its headquarters to Prince George’s County?
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When I read the latest reports of the General Service Administration’s plans to move FBI headquarters out of Washington, D.C. earlier this week, I was reminded of a recent conversation I had with a retired GSA realty contracting officer who had been trying for decades to get GSA to locate prime federal offices in Prince George’s. “They’ll tell you, ‘Well, Prince George’s County doesn’t have the infrastructure, doesn’t have the quality schools, they have a high crime rate.’ All of these are code words for ‘black folk,” he told me. “So, they have essentially redlined Prince George’s County.”
12-06-2012, 05:11 PM
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He makes a good argument but since the poor schools, high crime are legitimate issues they can keep hiding behind "code words".
12-06-2012, 07:15 PM
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That's a ridiculous, ridiculous thing to say. First of all we should take this with a grain of salt, it's a column, it's The Root and doesn't mean that this is factual. No one is going to want to be in an area with high crime and bad schools no matter what race lives there.
If it were truly a racial issue, the government would have been out of DC, aka the Chocolate City, long ago.
12-06-2012, 07:54 PM
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Another article discussing the prospect of the FBI moving to PG. Although interesting I question the ability of it making as major an economic impact as is being touted. I say that because Census has not significantly changed Suitland.
Gazette.Net: FBI on Prince George’s most-wanted list
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People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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