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Old 11-11-2014, 03:24 PM
 
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I don't see how in the world he could pass up 900 million in federal money and delay this project and not only drastically increase the cost of the project but waste so much of the money that's already been spent on designing it. If the project is delayed even for a few years, much of the design and environmental studies will have to be redone which will be costly and time consuming and the longer you wait, the more construction costs go up to build it.

This is a very important project that everybody should support, even those that won't use the line. I can't believe the state spent all that money the ICC (a complete waste of money for what it cost) and is even thinking of not doing the purple line. Come on Maryland, get it together.
The ICC at least came from toll revenue and grants and not tax payer money.
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Old 11-11-2014, 04:17 PM
 
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The ICC at least came from toll revenue and grants and not tax payer money.
Present tense: IS coming from toll revenue and a gas tax increase. The same will be done for the Purple Line, but the difference is that some of the cost will be incurred by private partnerships. The state could come out further ahead with the Purple Line than it did with the ICC and get a much bigger bang for the buck by tying all of the major population and job centers together unlike the ICC.
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Old 11-12-2014, 04:42 AM
 
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The ICC at least came from toll revenue and grants and not tax payer money.
I think the ICC is funded more with bay bridge tolls (which is not really fair to bay bridge commuters) than actual ICC tolls. It was also partially funded with tax money and it still funded with the gas tax.

It's all tax payer money at the end of the day and whatever they spent on that giant, barley used speed trap could have been used to build something that would have benefited the community more (such as the purple line).
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Old 11-12-2014, 05:35 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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One of the problems with the transportation system in the area is that it was all designed, all of it, when DC was the center of the employment universe here. No one foresaw the growth in NoVA or along 270 or the growth of contractors rather than civil service employees.

Thirty years ago NAS PAX was somewhat of a backwater. With BRAC and Hoyer's influence it's become the main economic driver in SoMD. Enough so that if any cut there is mentioned all the elected officials down here get the vapors.

That train is coming to the station, however. Mikulski, Cardin and Hoyer recently announced the funding for a study group tasked with figuring out what to do when PAX starts to contract. Meanwhile traffic here is approaching gridlock with the Thomas Johnson Bridge still needing replaced. Twenty years after it was declared out of date and critically in need of replacing. Tentative replacement date? 2030 at the earliest.
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Old 11-12-2014, 01:44 PM
 
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I think the ICC is funded more with bay bridge tolls (which is not really fair to bay bridge commuters) than actual ICC tolls.
The toll money comes from all MDTA toll funding, not just the ICC; but yes you are right, Bay Bridge plays a big factor in that and I would assume 95/895 tunnels as well.
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Old 11-12-2014, 01:48 PM
 
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One of the problems with the transportation system in the area is that it was all designed, all of it, when DC was the center of the employment universe here. No one foresaw the growth in NoVA or along 270 or the growth of contractors rather than civil service employees.
Since metro is ran by WMATA, a DC based transportation system, I doubt you will see it expand any further than what you currently see and what is projected. It would be nice, though.
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Old 11-18-2014, 06:52 AM
 
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Default Prince George's County, Meet Your New Governor!

Prince George's County, meet your new Governor. lol

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Governor-elect Larry Hogan said Monday he will revisit the decision to move the Department of Housing and Community Development from Crownsville to New Carrollton.
Governor-elect Larry Hogan hopes to reassess DHCD move to Prince George's County from Anne Arundel County - capitalgazette.com

And seeing that he is from Anne Arundel County, that sounds about right. lol This and the possibility that the Purple Line will be put on the shelf doesn't bode well for the county.

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Old 11-18-2014, 08:49 AM
 
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Prince George's County, meet your new Governor. lol



Governor-elect Larry Hogan hopes to reassess DHCD move to Prince George's County from Anne Arundel County - capitalgazette.com

And seeing that he is from Anne Arundel County, that sounds about right. lol This and the possibility that the Purple Line will be put on the shelf doesn't bode well for the county.
Wait a minute. I don't understand the issue here. For starters the article says that he looking into it and seeing how far they are in the process. That doesn't mean he will make a decision to stop the move. But even with that said as tax payer, and given the state's economic state, are you really okay with paying over $2 million for an agency just for it to move to another county? Being from Anne Arundel County aside, is this not reasonable? Do you think he should just ignore this?
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Old 11-18-2014, 09:52 AM
 
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Wait a minute. I don't understand the issue here. For starters the article says that he looking into it and seeing how far they are in the process. That doesn't mean he will make a decision to stop the move. But even with that said as tax payer, and given the state's economic state, are you really okay with paying over $2 million for an agency just for it to move to another county? Being from Anne Arundel County aside, is this not reasonable? Do you think he should just ignore this?
Two million dollars pales in comparison to the revenues from the development at the New Carrolton station that will be spurred due to the fact that the agency will be headquartered there. That was the whole point in moving it - to jump start development at one of the most heavily used transit stops in Maryland that has not been served by development.

No economic development is to occur at the agency's current site. Which means that spending 2 million to spur economic growth at an underutilized transit-oriented site increases state revenue and draws businesses to the state and the county, which is under-served in both business and job growth.

Furthermore, developers have already committed to projects that were based on the agency moving there. That was their major selling point. We know that any government agency HQ should spur development around it. At least that's the hope.

And if Hogan decides to postpone or kill the move, the planned development of New Carrollton becomes uncertain. Which begs the question that with the huge IRS site there, development should have been there already. But alas, yanking another agency from the site isn't good for the county or the developers who took the risk based off of the move.

To be honest, Prince George's County should move its county government headquarters to New Carrollton. I still don't know why a majority of the county's residents have to take a day trip just to get business done in the county.
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Old 11-18-2014, 10:23 AM
 
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Two million dollars pales in comparison to the revenues from the development at the New Carrolton station that will be spurred due to the fact that the agency will be headquartered there. That was the whole point in moving it - to jump start development at one of the most heavily used transit stops in Maryland that has not been served by development.

No economic development is to occur at the agency's current site. Which means that spending 2 million to spur economic growth at an underutilized transit-oriented site increases state revenue and draws businesses to the state and the county, which is under-served in both business and job growth.

Furthermore, developers have already committed to projects that were based on the agency moving there. That was their major selling point. We know that any government agency HQ should spur development around it. At least that's the hope.

And if Hogan decides to postpone or kill the move, the planned development of New Carrollton becomes uncertain. Which begs the question that with the huge IRS site there, development should have been there already. But alas, yanking another agency from the site isn't good for the county or the developers who took the risk based off of the move.
Let me get this straight, companies are deciding to go with or to avoid a development just because an agency with 330 employees decides to move to a location or not? Come on, we know 330 employees is not going to generate over $2 million in revenue. And there is no way an agency that small is going to have that much of an impact on those projects.

You said it yourself New Carrollton is a transporation hub and already has the IRS. This agency moving isn't really where the money is, it's with the people who commute there or from there on a daily basis, but there are other companies and agencies (namely the IRS) there that will have a far greater impact than just this one agency.

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To be honest, Prince George's County should move its county government headquarters to New Carrollton. I still don't know why a majority of the county's residents have to take a day trip just to get business done in the county.
I agree with Upper Marlboro being a horrible location. New Carrollton or even Largo would be better locations.
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