PGC Just Isn't That Into Urbanism (College Park, Hyattsville: crime, homes, to buy)

[CBMD]

I'm sure some will disagree......

Prince George's County Just Isn't That Into Urbanism

[lookingbutnotlost]

Well the areas closest to DC can urbanize while those further away stay rural. Best of both worlds.

[UrbanScholar]

Originally Posted by CBMD

I'm sure some will disagree......

Prince George's County Just Isn't That Into Urbanism

I agree but disagree. I think that the author is right. Historically PGC has fought development because the leadership was busy trying to line their pockets. I wasn't until post-Johnson that things began to change. Now we are playing catch up.

[NYtoDC]

Originally Posted by lookingbutnotlost

Well the areas closest to DC can urbanize while those further away stay rural. Best of both worlds.

I agree. It makes sense that those areas closest to the DC borders would have somewhat of an urban feel which would slowly turn rural the further away you go from the center of DC.

[NYtoDC]

Originally Posted by UrbanScholar

I agree but disagree. I think that the author is right. Historically PGC has fought development because the leadership was busy trying to line their pockets. I wasn't until post-Johnson that things began to change. Now we are playing catch up.

Yes. It is definitely inevitable though because once the baby boomers have mostly died off, I believe that Millennials will get sick of living on top of one another and will want somewhere that is a bit more spaced out. PGC is currently the only place where you can still get a nice single family home at a reasonable price.

[adelphi_sky]

Originally Posted by NYtoDC

Yes. It is definitely inevitable though because once the baby boomers have mostly died off, I believe that Millennials will get sick of living on top of one another and will want somewhere that is a bit more spaced out. PGC is currently the only place where you can still get a nice single family home at a reasonable price.

That doesn't explain the successes of NYC, L.A., San Fran, and every other city that has a high cost of living. There won't ever be a shift back to the burbs unless crime returns to the cities. This current shift is here to stay for at least another 40 to 50 years.

Even with mass transit reaching the outer suburbs like Loudoun County, the preference will still be to be in the "center of it all." They won't want to have to ride a Metro for 45 minutes to catch a sporting event, entertainment, nightlife, or the arts when they can either walk, ride their bike, or take a 20 minute train or bus ride.

As DC continues to grow, it will have the best of everything. As millennials reach their mid-thirties, I think they will still choose urban living than the vanilla cookie-cutter suburbs that their parents live in.

My new duties have me driving all around DC and I see a LOT of people pushing strollers all over the city in all quadrants from completely refurbished homes. I talk to a lot of them and they are from all over. They are making DC their home. If this weren't true, you wouldn't see the investment you see now.

The millennials aren't going anywhere. Anyplace inside the Beltway is fair game.

[UrbanScholar]

Originally Posted by adelphi_sky

That doesn't explain the successes of NYC, L.A., San Fran, and every other city that has a high cost of living. There won't ever be a shift back to the burbs unless crime returns to the cities. This current shift is here to stay for at least another 40 to 50 years.

Even with mass transit reaching the outer suburbs like Loudoun County, the preference will still be to be in the "center of it all." They won't want to have to ride a Metro for 45 minutes to catch a sporting event, entertainment, nightlife, or the arts when they can either walk, ride their bike, or take a 20 minute train or bus ride.

As DC continues to grow, it will have the best of everything. As millennials reach their mid-thirties, I think they will still choose urban living than the vanilla cookie-cutter suburbs that their parents live in.

My new duties have me driving all around DC and I see a LOT of people pushing strollers all over the city in all quadrants from completely refurbished homes. I talk to a lot of them and they are from all over. They are making DC their home. If this weren't true, you wouldn't see the investment you see now.

The millennials aren't going anywhere. Anyplace inside the Beltway is fair game.

I think millennials moving outside of the city will happen in bigger numbers because cities are becoming too expensive to live in. Especially when you are at the beginning of your career or have a young family and you don't have as much disposable income. I have friends in Oakland and San Mateo CA and there has been a mini housing(both residential and rental) boom in their areas because San Fran is too expensive. Especially if you are looking to buy a house. Hence why, if we play our cards right, PG is going to see a big uptick in people moving into the county over the next 10 years. Starting with the more urban areas and followed by the more suburban area. It may not be predominately AA then but I believe it will be drastically different than what we see today.

Like we discussed previously, the county needs to be smart and amp up their efforts to appeal to potential residents. More charter schools, in fill development, TOD, and increased mass transportation (BRT and Trolly) to increase the attractiveness of areas that are deficient.

[bufflove]

Originally Posted by UrbanScholar

I think millennials moving outside of the city will happen in bigger numbers because cities are becoming too expensive to live in. Especially when you are at the beginning of your career or have a young family and you don't have as much disposable income. I have friends in Oakland and San Mateo CA and there has been a mini housing(both residential and rental) boom in their areas because San Fran is too expensive. Especially if you are looking to buy a house. Hence why, if we play our cards right, PG is going to see a big uptick in people moving into the county over the next 10 years. Starting with the more urban areas and followed by the more suburban area. It may not be predominately AA then but I believe it will be drastically different than what we see today.

Like we discussed previously, the county needs to be smart and amp up their efforts to appeal to potential residents. More charter schools, in fill development, TOD, and increased mass transportation (BRT and Trolly) to increase the attractiveness of areas that are deficient.

Yep, I agree there has been - and will continue to be - increasing demand for urbanized areas beyond DC proper's limits. PGC is in a prime position considering all their cheap, developable land near metro stations and hopefully that'll finally be leveraged properly. MoCo mostly just has Glenmont left in the crapper now that Twinbrook, Shady Grove, Wheaton, White Flint are seeing fairly substantial redevelopment. Once all the MoCo stations are fairly built out, PGC becomes increasingly attractive to developers by default...so long as it's not screwed up.

[lookingbutnotlost]

PGC is attractive due to it's closeness and metro. PGC is the county that borders DC on the MD side. Not all millennials can afford to live in DC. If you do public interest, work at a nonprofit, are a teacher, work for the federal govt, you make good money but not enough to buy in DC if you're not a trust fund kid. So you move to Hyattsville, College Park, Calvert Hills, where you get metro, shopping, food options, and a yard and you can be around other millennials who demand the same things they wanted in DC.

PGC and Rushern Baker need to work to make PGC great again.

[lookingbutnotlost]

Also the areas in Historic Hyattsville, College Park, Berwyn, University Park already have low inventory. There are multiple offers for the desirable homes and homes that are well priced sell in a week or less.