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Old 01-23-2014, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. Area
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Originally Posted by bmoreboy25 View Post
All of you want DC to seem like its not geographically southern because of the gentrification going on and the vibrancy. DC geographically is a southern city. The north starts geographically on the east coast when you get to Pennsylvania and Delaware. Its always been like that. The Mason Dixon Line wasn't put there for no reason. It was the dividing line between the north and south. Not Virginia, or DC as you all claim. Maryland Pennsylvania and Delaware state line divides the two. Stop stating false information. Just because its the Nations Capitol and well known does not mean its not a southern city.
The world was a different place when the Mason-Dixon Line was drawn. A line that is not straight btw

 
Old 01-23-2014, 02:19 PM
 
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by BajanYankee View Post
DC is considered northern by deep southerners and a handful of transplants. Then you have transplants that don't consider it northern (I was in the camp) along with locals who prefer "Mid Atlantic," which means neither northern or southern or possibly "both." It's easy to see how the city can easily trapped between the two regions.

A southerner may ask...

Where are the Waffle Houses?
Where are the Sonics?
Where are the southern accents?
Why is everyone so mean here?

And then conclude that DC is anything but the South. A northerner may ask...

Where are the millions of Italians?
Where are the bodegas?
Where's my sensational tabloid newspaper with crass headlines?
Where's the "attytood?"

And then conclude that DC is anything but the North.
dc is the north now because it's the capitol of the u.s. so
that sure ain't the south because of historic and political
implications. if you want to call it mid-atlantic, that's fine i
guess, but pa, nj, de and ny is mid-atlantic too, so that's
not a unique description either.

if dc is the south like it was during slavery, we wouldn't
be debating this. dc/md still feels somewhat southern because
of its geographic atmosphere but they do not identify with the
south anymore, even tho they are below the mason-dixon.

most northerners would still say it's down south like most
southerners would say it's up north tho still so yeah.
 
Old 01-23-2014, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Originally Posted by Collateral View Post
The importance of the American black vote to most blue states is overblown. All the blacks could leave some states and they would still be blue states.
Right. If all of the blacks in Pennsylvania and Ohio had suddenly left those states before Election Day, then there'd be a President Willard Romney right now.
 
Old 01-23-2014, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Originally Posted by 11KAP View Post
dc is the north now because it's the capitol of the u.s. so
that sure ain't the south because of historic and political
implications. if you want to call it mid-atlantic, that's fine i
guess, but pa, nj, de and ny is mid-atlantic too, so that's
not a unique description either.

if dc is the south like it was during slavery, we wouldn't
be debating this. dc/md still feels somewhat southern because
of its geographic atmosphere but they do not identify with the
south anymore, even tho they are below the mason-dixon.

most northerners would still say it's down south like most
southerners would say it's up north tho still so yeah.
I see what your saying. Culturally yes DC is northern. But geographically I disagree. I guess I would say "mid-Atlantic" like you said to end this controversy. But at the end of the day Maryland is still southern geographically maybe not culturally.
 
Old 01-23-2014, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. Area
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Originally Posted by bmoreboy25 View Post
The city historically was a predominately black city. Therefore most of DC natives are of African American decent. Not including the transplants
Actually the real natives were the Native Americans. See how using history to prove things can get confusing? I don't care about the DC of 1950, I care about the DC of 2014
 
Old 01-23-2014, 02:25 PM
 
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by bmoreboy25 View Post
I see what your saying. Culturally yes DC is northern. But geographically I disagree. I guess I would say "mid-Atlantic" like you said to end this controversy. But at the end of the day Maryland is still southern geographically maybe not culturally.
i agree with you on the geography too. you mean
it's south of the mason-dixon line, right?


if so, i get that. all I'm saying is it can't be the
south anymore, because the south sold out and
turned their backs on america a long time ago
causing a war with dc and the union.
 
Old 01-23-2014, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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^ Yea south of mason Dixon
 
Old 01-23-2014, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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^2 dc is the north now because it's the capitol of the u.s. so
that sure ain't the south because of historic and political
implications.
That alone can't make it a northern city. It's been the nation's capital for more than 200 years and was a solidly southern city for most of that time.

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Originally Posted by 11KAP View Post
if you want to call it mid-atlantic, that's fine i
guess, but pa, nj, de and ny is mid-atlantic too, so that's
not a unique description either.
People need to stop conflating the historical definition of the "Middle Atlantic" with the colloquial one. Historically, the "Middle Atlantic" was NY, NJ and PA. Those were the states sandwiched between New England and the South (which MD, DE, VA, NC and SC were). The current colloquial definition, however, more or less refers to the area where the North blends together with the South (the DC-Baltimore region). What you're doing (and many others do it as well) is using the colloquial definition to graft DC onto the Northeast (since the Census defines the Northeast as the "Middle Atlantic" plus "New England"). It doesn't work that way. You can't have this ever-expanding definition of the "Northeast" based on places becoming "Mid Atlantic."

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Originally Posted by 11KAP View Post
if dc is the south like it was during slavery, we wouldn't
be debating this.
If DC was northern like Philadelphia, this thread likely wouldn't exist. Someone please post for me the 256 threads that are each 90 pages long asking whether Philadelphia is a northern or southern city.

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Originally Posted by 11KAP View Post
most northerners would still say it's down south like most
southerners would say it's up north tho still so yeah.
And most Washingtonians would say it's neither. So where does that leave us?
 
Old 01-23-2014, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Originally Posted by Collateral View Post
Actually the real natives were the Native Americans. See how using history to prove things can get confusing? I don't care about the DC of 1950, I care about the DC of 2014
Well you cant take the history out of DC or the culture. The natives were in DC pre-historic and most of them were gone by the time it became a city because of tribal tensions. If your talking about DC not having a predominately AA population in 2014 then you need to come back to reality
 
Old 01-23-2014, 02:30 PM
 
Location: USA
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lol fuhgedaboutit.


if you want, just say dc is central or neutral
or everthing in one: n, s, e, w. if that's not
good enough, i don't know what to tell ya.
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