Fellow Feds, what are you going to do when the Govt shuts down (Washington: how much, lawyer)
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being objective here, i don't think you really got what she was saying. she empathized with government workers, i think she was just saying what makes you guys any different from the private sector employees and even state and local government employees who have been laid off, fired, and furloughed.
Then you just missed the point of my post. There are employees being laid off in the government as well, just not at the same rate. But that's the sacrifice you take to go to public sector versus private sector. To suggest that, we are going suffer because we didn't 'save our money' is just straight up ignorant. We are not paid well, that's my point. What they get in extra pay in private sector to have unstable jobs, is what we miss in pay just to have a more stable job. My peers, in the event they get laid off or furloughed, make more than enough to survive, but most government employees, especially new ones like myself don't have the option to 'save my money'. It's as if people think we are privileged, if the economy was doing well then just like ahales, people wouldn't think these jobs would be worth anything, but now that everyone else is suffering, they want us to suffer too. We do suffer, most of suffer, every pay period, but that sacrifice of getting paid less is why I still have a job and a lot of my peers do not.
Then you just missed the point of my post. There are employees being laid off in the government as well, just not at the same rate. But that's the sacrifice you take to go to public sector versus private sector. To suggest that, we are going suffer because we didn't 'save our money' is just straight up ignorant. We are not paid well, that's my point. What they get in extra pay in private sector to have unstable jobs, is what we miss in pay just to have a more stable job. My peers, in the event they get laid off or furloughed, make more than enough to survive, but most government employees, especially new ones like myself don't have the option to 'save my money'. It's as if people think we are privileged, if the economy was doing well then just like ahales, people wouldn't think these jobs would be worth anything, but now that everyone else is suffering, they want us to suffer too. We do suffer, most of suffer, every pay period, but that sacrifice of getting paid less is why I still have a job and a lot of my peers do not.
dude...can i borrow that broad brush you just painted all government employees with? seriously
1. you assume that i don't or have never worked for the feds. you assumed wrong.
2. who said anything about federal employees suffering?
3. the problem with 0 sum negotiating is thinking that, if you don't do something or if you don't negotiate that the job or deal won't get done. guess you guys are too young to remember the last time a select group of federal employees tried to do that under reagan. do you honestly think that in this economy if you guys decided not to do your jobs that some other group wouldn't swoop in to do it?
4. it's been proven time and time again that federal employees, on average make significantly more than their private sector counterparts. miss me with that whoa is me underpaid stuff. that's just not even remotely truthful.
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dude...can i borrow that broad brush you just painted all government employees with? seriously
1. you assume that i don't or have never worked for the feds. you assumed wrong.
2. who said anything about federal employees suffering?
3. the problem with 0 sum negotiating is thinking that, if you don't do something or if you don't negotiate that the job or deal won't get done. guess you guys are too young to remember the last time a select group of federal employees tried to do that under reagan. do you honestly think that in this economy if you guys decided not to do your jobs that some other group wouldn't swoop in to do it? 4. it's been proven time and time again that federal employees, on average make significantly more than their private sector counterparts. miss me with that whoa is me underpaid stuff. that's just not even remotely truthful.
This is a load of crap. If you want to compare PHD Scientist and the attendant at the local 7-11 then yeah. If you compare occupation vs occupation then you will see that the public sector employees make a lot less.
dude...can i borrow that broad brush you just painted all government employees with? seriously
1. you assume that i don't or have never worked for the feds. you assumed wrong.
2. who said anything about federal employees suffering?
3. the problem with 0 sum negotiating is thinking that, if you don't do something or if you don't negotiate that the job or deal won't get done. guess you guys are too young to remember the last time a select group of federal employees tried to do that under reagan. do you honestly think that in this economy if you guys decided not to do your jobs that some other group wouldn't swoop in to do it?
4. it's been proven time and time again that federal employees, on average make significantly more than their private sector counterparts. miss me with that whoa is me underpaid stuff. that's just not even remotely truthful.
1. Never made a comment about whether you worked for the government or not. I was just clearing up the point that you responded to.
2. GaBison mentioned federal employees "sucks for you and all the other people around the world who had to suffer through a layoff after being so loyal" and kodaka stated "But god forbid federal workers have to suffer the agony of the same plight as the rest of world!". My point was to mention that many of us sacrifice long term to have stable jobs. Well everyone gets set out of high-paying jobs, we get to keep our stable mediocre paying jobs. Is that not clear to you?
3. When you become a federal employee, striking is not an option. You take a oath not to strike therefore no one is sitting here talking about striking. Really don't even know why you even brought it up.
4. It's not always true. Very few fields pay more in the federal government than the private sector. If you do a position by position comparison, it's not close. The only reason it appears that we make much more is because we tend to stay in our jobs longer than people in private sector. Just think about it, how likely is a company like Northrop Grumman to keep a Software Engineering that has 10 years of experience versus one that has 5 years of experience? Companies always look to cut cost. In the government we just stay in the position making the max of our steps in our grade until we can move to another position. We don't just get fired just to get fired. Think about it, if we were really getting paid that much, had this stable of a job, then what would be the point of even working private? Doesn't make sense. Most of us sacrifice pay for stability and benefits.
1. Never made a comment about whether you worked for the government or not. I was just clearing up the point that you responded to.
that's not how i read it but we can agree to disagree.
2. GaBison mentioned federal employees "sucks for you and all the other people around the world who had to suffer through a layoff after being so loyal" and kodaka stated "But god forbid federal workers have to suffer the agony of the same plight as the rest of world!". My point was to mention that many of us sacrifice long term to have stable jobs. Well everyone gets set out of high-paying jobs, we get to keep our stable mediocre paying jobs. Is that not clear to you?
you made that comment directed to me, not gabison.
3. When you become a federal employee, striking is not an option. You take a oath not to strike therefore no one is sitting here talking about striking. Really don't even know why you even brought it up.
weren't you one of the ones saying maybe we need to see how important fed worker jobs are by not showing up? not showing up = ???
4. It's not always true. Very few fields pay more in the federal government than the private sector. If you do a position by position comparison, it's not close. The only reason it appears that we make much more is because we tend to stay in our jobs longer than people in private sector. Just think about it, how likely is a company like Northrop Grumman to keep a Software Engineering that has 10 years of experience versus one that has 5 years of experience? Companies always look to cut cost. In the government we just stay in the position making the max of our steps in our grade until we can move to another position. We don't just get fired just to get fired. Think about it, if we were really getting paid that much, had this stable of a job, then what would be the point of even working private? Doesn't make sense. Most of us sacrifice pay for stability and benefits.
lying really doesn't help your cause. in fact it infuriates people even more. you keep using words like SACRIFICE. what does the average federal employee sacrifice? please your rhetoric would probably work on someone who has never worked a day in the federal government, but i have my friend. i know how it is. they make so much of a sacrifice that the usa today did an article on it in which it details how federal pay is ahead of private industry pay in 8 out of 10 categories. don't believe me? here ya go:
"These salary figures do not include the value of health, pension and other benefits, which averaged $40,785 per federal employee in 2008 vs. $9,882 per private worker, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis."
If any government employee has sacrificed to serve, it's those at the state and local levels (the same folks fighting to keep what little they have). Don't believe me? Here's another highlight for ya:
"•State and local. State government employees had an average salary of $47,231 in 2008, about 5% less than comparable jobs in the private sector. City and county workers earned an average of $43,589, about 2% more than private workers in similar jobs. State and local workers have higher total compensation than private workers when the value of benefits is included."
That's some sacrifice I tell ya...
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your rhetoric would probably work on someone who has never worked a day in the federal government, but i have my friend. i know how it is. they make so much of a sacrifice that the usa today did an article on it in which it details how federal pay is ahead of private industry pay in 8 out of 10 categories. don't believe me? here ya go:
