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what a pile of clichés plucked from freshman sociology.
I used to be like that in my leftist college days. Whining about white males all the time and obsessed with identity politics. You'll learn soon enough socialism is a fool's errand that sinks all ships except for those in power.
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How dare the ungrateful minorities and poor question and demand resolution to historical injustice.
What's your "resolution", Mr. West? I bet it involves my money.
Location: Standing outside of heaven, wating for God to come and get me.
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Originally Posted by Tiger Beer
I will say this.
Having hung around these forums long enough (DC & MD/DC)...and noticed... that most posters are probably black rather than white...generally, on these two forums.
I've also noticed that most of the DC/MD forumers actually are quite cordial, intelligent, well thought out, etc.
I equally notice occassional race-baiting (not by jokerstars in particular, he seems genuinely interested in discussing), but have noticed others come in and say something. I've been quite impressed by the number of black folk on here who quickly identify the poster specifically, rather than a sweeping 'white folk' response, etc. I have the utmost respect for all the black forumers who participate on the DC (and MD, for that matter) forums.
I do have to say that the black community has had some damn crazy leaders though the last twenty years. That was something I never understood, until suddenly I started seeing all these crazy 'speaking for white America' right-wing nutjobs coming out of the woodwork. I don't think black folks have any control whatsoever to stop self-appointed spokesman than I (I'm white) have to stop all the Glen Becks, Rush Limbaughs and such. Yet, there are plenty of white people who believe in those people, just the same. There are also plenty of white people who vehemently oppose or at the minimum try to tune out everything they say as well. If you listen closely to what black folk speak about when it comes to leaders, you'll probably hear of other leaders that they actually respect - Cosby types, etc.
(Parable story here of myself projecting on to the black experience). Being an American living abroad. I will say that the Bush years were particularly hard to be an American overseas. I absolutely hated the guy. Yet, because of him, all kinds of non-Americans would approach me saying all kinds of terrible terrible stuff about America. I found myself half defending a lot of stuff I really hated and couldn't stand about America and it's leaders during that administration. It happens because people just come in making blanket statements at every level, just showing deep down that they really just hate America/Americans regardless if you agree with them or not. Plus since you represent what they hate so much, they can never remove you personally because of what you represent. Yet I'm still American...that can never be removed from me no matter what...so can we all just get beyond that, and discuss something different nonetheless? (I actually see that element with quite a few black-americans from time to time when they have to deal with these issues when a 'black' topic comes up).
Anyways, maybe there is something useful that I posted here...no definitive conclusion with this, and will just post 'as is'.
Having hung around these forums long enough (DC & MD/DC)...and noticed... that most posters are probably black rather than white...generally, on these two forums.
I've also noticed that most of the DC/MD forumers actually are quite cordial, intelligent, well thought out, etc.
I equally notice occassional race-baiting (not by jokerstars in particular, he seems genuinely interested in discussing), but have noticed others come in and say something. I've been quite impressed by the number of black folk on here who quickly identify the poster specifically, rather than a sweeping 'white folk' response, etc. I have the utmost respect for all the black forumers who participate on the DC (and MD, for that matter) forums.
I do have to say that the black community has had some damn crazy leaders though the last twenty years. That was something I never understood, until suddenly I started seeing all these crazy 'speaking for white America' right-wing nutjobs coming out of the woodwork. I don't think black folks have any control whatsoever to stop self-appointed spokesman than I (I'm white) have to stop all the Glen Becks, Rush Limbaughs and such. Yet, there are plenty of white people who believe in those people, just the same. There are also plenty of white people who vehemently oppose or at the minimum try to tune out everything they say as well. If you listen closely to what black folk speak about when it comes to leaders, you'll probably hear of other leaders that they actually respect - Cosby types, etc.
(Parable story here of myself projecting on to the black experience). Being an American living abroad. I will say that the Bush years were particularly hard to be an American overseas. I absolutely hated the guy. Yet, because of him, all kinds of non-Americans would approach me saying all kinds of terrible terrible stuff about America. I found myself half defending a lot of stuff I really hated and couldn't stand about America and it's leaders during that administration. It happens because people just come in making blanket statements at every level, just showing deep down that they really just hate America/Americans regardless if you agree with them or not. Plus since you represent what they hate so much, they can never remove you personally because of what you represent. Yet I'm still American...that can never be removed from me no matter what...so can we all just get beyond that, and discuss something different nonetheless? (I actually see that element with quite a few black-americans from time to time when they have to deal with these issues when a 'black' topic comes up).
Anyways, maybe there is something useful that I posted here...no definitive conclusion with this, and will just post 'as is'.
tiger i agree with your post but i'd just like to clarify one thing. contrary to what you might have read or view on television, there is no such thing as a black leader. blacks aren't one monolithic group. we don't all think alike and believe in the same things. maybe that's a bad thing, maybe that's a good thing. i should clarify this and say this as far as american blacks are concerned. even back in the segregation days, there were blacks who sided with the beliefs of dr. martin luther king jr. and blacks who sided with the views of malcom x, and there were some who didn't care for either who just wanted to live life peacefully and not buck the system.
there were no secret nationwide meetings where blacks got together and voted for Al Sharpton or Jesse jackson.
that'd be like me forming my opinion of all white people in america based on rush limbaugh, glen beck, and sarah palin. i'm educated enough to know that just because someone gives you a microphone doesn't make you a leader.
it would be great if we could have a discussion of the demographic changes in DC, where blacks from DC are moving, even to what extent those who have left were homeowners who benefited, vs renters who did not.
there were no secret nationwide meetings where blacks got together and voted for Al Sharpton or Jesse jackson. .
just to quibble, there WERE actual public elections that were won by Jesse Jackson. some primaries, I think, (or did he always come in second?) in 1984 and 1988. And wasnt he elected shadow Senator in DC?
Wouldnt a black person elected to public office, in an overwhelmingly black district, be considered a black leader?
Having a leader, does not imply all members of a group agree with that leader.
Seeing the debates about economic status, parent responsibility for education, government trying to correct past wrongs, welfare, etc. reminds me somewhat of rural West Virginia where I grew up. Not a direct parallel by any stretch but there are common themes.
The people living in the mountains are fiercely loyal to each other and their hillbilly culture, at the expense many times of trying to ensure good education for their kids and trying to "improve" themselves. They have a deep distrust of "the government", but expect "government" to stand with them against mining and other corporate interests. Government is expected to reverse past policies supporting the mining companies against the locals.
Anyone looking into that culture from the outside automatically thinks everyone's ignorant, lazy, and sponging off of welfare. While some of that is true, the truth is a lot deeper than that. Try to put yourself into the other person's shoes when you are debating an issue.
it would be great if we could have a discussion of the demographic changes in DC, where blacks from DC are moving, even to what extent those who have left were homeowners who benefited, vs renters who did not.
I was always under the impression that they moved to PG county.
To a MUCH lesser extent my neck of the woods in south Arlington saw a drop in black population. From my understanding many of my former neighbors moved to more affordable Woodbridge. There are some parts of Prince William county that saw a 1000% increase in black population. Of course the black population in Northern Virginia is a WAY smaller than DC or Maryland, but I imagine that's what happened on the otherside of the Potomac as well. They had an article focusing on Bloomingdale last week that was pretty interesting.
In the article renters moving to cheaper digs east of the Anacostia river seemed to be a theme. Also people not taking too kindly to change was another theme.
Well, I read all the posts and agree with Jokes. Big surprise huh? Once again, why someone always labeled racist by just pointing out facts? Nothing he said is untrue or vulgar. Yes, he REALIZES that not all black people are the same. He (and I) have stated that many, many times. If you don't like that facts, too bad. The truth ain't pretty. And it's the attitude of many of ya'll on here, who keep ignoring it or pulling out the racist card everytime someone brings out FACTS that doesn't solve anything. How do you want things to be solved? Give everyone who may or may not have been wronged in the past hundreds of years ago money? Gimme a break.
The media creates black leaders. Has gotten a lot of brothers killed too.
Yes, it's always someone else. Maybe it was the other 'brothers' who kill other 'brothers' are responsible. Blame the government! Blame the TV!!!
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