Best way to handle Metro rowdy/teen issues? (moving, train)

[Agnapostate]

Originally Posted by Harlem resident

Not working class. Welfare class, and I am sure that you know this. It comes from people who have too many children whom they cannot support, overwhelmingly an issue for the welfare class. The black working class could not be more distant from them.

African-American welfare users are motivated by the labor and marriage market conditions that separate them from whites, as evidenced by The Role of Labor and Marriage Markets, Preference Heterogeneity and the Welfare System in the Life Cycle Decisions of Black, Hispanic and White Women: "One result that is clear is that differences in preferences for welfare participation between minority and majority women play almost no role in generating differences in welfare participation, labor supply or other outcomes. Our model implies that the much higher welfare participation rates for Hispanic and, especially, black women can be explained almost entirely by the worse labor market and marriage market opportunities that they face."

Originally Posted by Harlem resident

I am well aware of those definitions. I am using "ineptness" to indicate a refusal or inability to navigate a particular system.

There are differences between all American dialects, yet all are mutually intelligible. That African-American English specifically possesses numerous commonalities (lexical and syntactical) with Southern American English, yet the latter is the not cause for negative discrimination to the same degree, is evidence of the race-based discrimination against African-Americans.

[jmusmc85]

Originally Posted by Agnapostate

African-American welfare users are motivated by the labor and marriage market conditions that separate them from whites, as evidenced by The Role of Labor and Marriage Markets, Preference Heterogeneity and the Welfare System in the Life Cycle Decisions of Black, Hispanic and White Women: "One result that is clear is that differences in preferences for welfare participation between minority and majority women play almost no role in generating differences in welfare participation, labor supply or other outcomes. Our model implies that the much higher welfare participation rates for Hispanic and, especially, black women can be explained almost entirely by the worse labor market and marriage market opportunities that they face."



There are differences between all American dialects, yet all are mutually intelligible. That African-American English specifically possesses numerous commonalities (lexical and syntactical) with Southern American English, yet the latter is the not cause for negative discrimination to the same degree, is evidence of the race-based discrimination against African-Americans.

But you don't see poor southern whites (aka rednecks, I'm an equal opporunity offender) trying to allow school sytems to accept their english as a legitimate. Only poor (and rich alike) blacks are trying to push Ebonics in school. Nomesayin dawg???

[jokerstars]

Agna is very proud of his new bachelors/masters in [bull**** liberal arts field] and will prove to you how racist and sexist you are ten times over before you can even blink.

[y_a_c_wtf]

Seriously, YAC banned me (Jesco) for an unpopular opinion. No cursing, no racist terms, just an unpopular opinion.

[Harlem resident]

Originally Posted by jokerstars

Agna is very proud of his new bachelors/masters in [bull**** liberal arts field] and will prove to you how racist and sexist you are ten times over before you can even blink.

Not me. I am familiar with the victim narrative and its supporters and it does not intimidate me at all. There are the usual kind of garbled statements, always moving subtly off target, I believe I mentioned this problem earlier. Unfortunately, it is certainly keeping other people in their places. That would be the "victims," who could use some tough love and standards.

A (black) businesswoman with whom we are friendly has struggled, hiring locals. She has suffered their non-existent work ethic, senses of entitlement, inappropriate dress, unacceptable treatment of the customers she needs for her business to survive. She has two accurate words for such people and one of them is ... "hoodrat." I will not mention the other.

Be advised of a different story, everyone. My significant other, in one of the worst-hit industries in the economic downturn, weathered, over the course of three years, four company closings and subsequent lay-offs. Each time, being employed again within two months, maximum. Dressed appropriately, speaking proper english, arriving on time. Remains employed. A definitively BLACK person.

So there it is.

[jmusmc85]

Originally Posted by Harlem resident

Not me. I am familiar with the victim narrative and its supporters and it does not intimidate me at all. There are the usual kind of garbled statements, always moving subtly off target, I believe I mentioned this problem earlier. Unfortunately, it is certainly keeping other people in their places. That would be the "victims," who could use some tough love and standards.

A (black) businesswoman with whom we are friendly has struggled, hiring locals. She has suffered their non-existent work ethic, senses of entitlement, inappropriate dress, unacceptable treatment of the customers she needs for her business to survive. She has two accurate words for such people and one of them is ... "hoodrat." I will not mention the other.

Be advised of a different story, everyone. My significant other, in one of the worst-hit industries in the economic downturn, weathered, over the course of three years, four company closings and subsequent lay-offs. Each time, being employed again within two months, maximum. Dressed appropriately, speaking proper english, arriving on time. Remains employed. A definitively BLACK person.

So there it is.

You see!! My term "hoodrat" is taking the nation by storm!!! And no, not Stormfront.....

[btsilver]

well it seems like this thread is quickly headed for the ban dumpster.

[HurricaneDC]

Originally Posted by Harlem resident

Ignore them and leave the car ASAP. Look for an authority and report them, because if you do not, they will victimize someone else two minutes down the road.

If you live in an area where there is a similar problem in the neighborhood, find out where the children live and contact their landlord, by phone and then in writing. You could also post about your experiences on a blog like everyblock.com, being specific about locations and what happened. This will protect others and have a broader purpose - identifying unacceptable behavior. In Harlem there is an interest in keeping quality of life problems and crime on the quiet side, so the public discussions help.

Or just vote with your wallet and live somewhere with people who actually care about their communities.

[scenic87]

Wow! Does this occur often on the metro? Or should I avoid certain areas at certain times???

[Bluefly]

I should play a drinking game with the number of times my name's mentioned in threads I'm not even in. I've explained many times to young jmusmc the difference between my actual stance about his characterization of race and his dogged persistence that I'm some sort of hyper pc police.

It's clear he has created a myth and will not be evolving his thinking to match my far more reasonable stance that doesn't include yelling "rayyyyyyycist" every time. So be it. If he can't differentiate between holding people accountable for inappropriate behaviors and making blanket statements, that's not on me. The race issue is far from, pardon the expression, as black and white as he suggests.