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Old 01-08-2014, 03:26 PM
 
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Its true, because if you look at what they gave (two first round picks for 2 years) - its something to think about.

The Redskins will probably never make a trade like that again. RG3 is a great player, but the financing is bad. Great house, crappy bank loan.
Way too early to assess him or the trade. People are already calling him a bust but if you look at Peyton Manning's first year, the same things would have been/were said about him. We will not know how good or bad he really is. As far as the trade, you also have to consider who the Rams get (still have another pick to make) and how good those picks become. If the Rams don't see a marked improvement and the Redskins are at least contending for division titles then it makes the trade look a lot different.
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Old 01-08-2014, 03:27 PM
 
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Only a few people actually answered the question though. I really wanted to know if people think he's an egomaniac the media is making him to be.
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Old 01-08-2014, 04:58 PM
 
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Just curious, how you know he's uncoachable?
Look at his fundamentals. He is a horrible passer. The way that happens is that historically he has been a good enough runner that he is going to play regardless of whether he listens to the coach. Briles at Baylor let him do as he pleased. At the Redskins he schmoozed the owner and circumvented the coach. Now that he is in the NFL, running won't get the job done. When he doesn't run, the defense can pick apart his passing. His knees are about done. I will not be surprised if he's out of football within 2-3 years.

Cousins will have a longer pro career.
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Old 01-08-2014, 05:01 PM
 
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Way too early to assess him or the trade. People are already calling him a bust but if you look at Peyton Manning's first year, the same things would have been/were said about him. We will not know how good or bad he really is. As far as the trade, you also have to consider who the Rams get (still have another pick to make) and how good those picks become. If the Rams don't see a marked improvement and the Redskins are at least contending for division titles then it makes the trade look a lot different.
Peyton Manning has always been a pro style QB. RGIII is a college style zone read running QB. Apples and oranges.
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Old 01-08-2014, 05:10 PM
 
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Look at his fundamentals. He is a horrible passer. The way that happens is that historically he has been a good enough runner that he is going to play regardless of whether he listens to the coach. Briles at Baylor let him do as he pleased. At the Redskins he schmoozed the owner and circumvented the coach. Now that he is in the NFL, running won't get the job done. When he doesn't run, the defense can pick apart his passing. His knees are about done. I will not be surprised if he's out of football within 2-3 years.

Cousins will have a longer pro career.
In his first years, although he wasn't elite, he was a much more accurate passer. I wonder how much his injury contributed to his poor mechanics. We will have a real answer next season.
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Old 01-08-2014, 05:19 PM
 
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Peyton Manning has always been a pro style QB. RGIII is a college style zone read running QB. Apples and oranges.
Style of play is completely irrelevant, they are both QBs who are/have been prematurely judged. People are basing their opinions on stats. Peyton Manning was considered to be a bust but no one would say that now. RG3 may not even be playing in that style of offense next year. It's just ridiculous to say what someone will be two years into a career that included a major injury.
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Old 01-08-2014, 05:28 PM
 
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DCforever is just a bitter falcons fan. I'd pay him no mind.

RG3 looked like a horrible passer this year because he had no offseason to actually sit down and learn how to read defenses and work on his mechanics. This year his main problem was he did not know how to go through his reads properly. Defenses took note and adjusted. If his first read was not there he panicked and ran to the sidelines, got sacked, or threw a pick. The offense the Shanahan's gave him last year was a gift & a curse. It was very easy for him to understand & run it but at the same time stunted his growth. Overall, he will eventually become a great passer but it will take him some time. He's too smart of a player and talented of a player not to
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Old 01-08-2014, 07:24 PM
 
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In his first years, although he wasn't elite, he was a much more accurate passer. I wonder how much his injury contributed to his poor mechanics. We will have a real answer next season.
He wasn't more accurate, his receivers were more open. When he can run like he did his first season, he changes the defenses, but loses his knees. If he were coachable his footwork would not be so atrocious. Until he learns the fundamentals he will never be an accurate passer. His knees are unlikely to last that long.
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Old 01-08-2014, 09:06 PM
 
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He wasn't more accurate, his receivers were more open. When he can run like he did his first season, he changes the defenses, but loses his knees. If he were coachable his footwork would not be so atrocious. Until he learns the fundamentals he will never be an accurate passer. His knees are unlikely to last that long.
He still had to throw the ball accurately to them right? The ball didn't just magically float to them did it? He had players open this year too and he missed a lot of them. If he was really that bad fundamentally there is no way you get away with throwing 20 tds in the NFL. Even some of the more fundamentally sound QBs struggle even throwing that many.
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Old 01-09-2014, 08:06 AM
 
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Style of play is completely irrelevant, they are both QBs who are/have been prematurely judged. People are basing their opinions on stats. Peyton Manning was considered to be a bust but no one would say that now. RG3 may not even be playing in that style of offense next year. It's just ridiculous to say what someone will be two years into a career that included a major injury.
Actually his style of play is the problem. He is an exceptional runner and mediocre passer. As soon as he stops running he is a mediocre QB. If he runs, he gets injured. Hopefully he acquired some employable skills at Baylor.
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