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Old 01-09-2017, 09:16 AM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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The folks here who are constantly trying to compare DC to NYC, or even Brooklyn alone, please stop. DC is a small town compared to Brooklyn, let alone NYC as a whole.

Brooklyn and DC are virtually the same size in square miles, 70 to 65. That's where the comparison ends.

Brooklyn's population is 2.64 million. DC's population is 670,000. Yes, Brooklyn has 2 million more people in the same space.

Brooklyn's population density is 35,360 per square mile. DC's is 9,800. Seriously, 10,000 per square mile is generally accepted to be to be the minimum to be considered an urban area. DC even falls short of that. Sure there are many DC neighborhoods that are urban, but for the most part, DC is suburban looking.

Kings County (Brooklyn Borough) New York QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

Just please stop. It hurts my eyes to read these apples to oranges comparisons. If you need to compare DC to a similarly sized small city, try Baltimore. It's more comparable with virtually the same population and is a mere 40 miles away, so readers here are likely more familiar with it than NYC. My eyes thank you in advance for your cooperation.
I don't think the point of this thread is to compare DC into being NYC or Brooklyn there is no comparison to NYC or Brooklyn in the United States, not Chicago, not SF, nowhere.

The point of the thread is the to compare the gentrification push of DC's core to across the river in NE/SE. This is worthy of a comparison juxtapose to the over gentrification of Manhattan pushing people into Brooklyn in some sense, regardless of current population statistics.

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Old 01-09-2017, 09:24 AM
 
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Also I believe DC's density is now just under 11,000, that number you posted was from 2010. The city's max population was almost at 900k in 61 sq mi. There is a chance the city could return to that number and come close gracing the 1 million mark in our lifetimes. Again in population still paling in comparison to Brooklyn, but I think there is a lot DC can learn here. It's not about matching Brooklyn's population, it's more about how much can the city and more specifically EOTR-DC take as far as density. Can DC realistically fit 500,000 people EOTR? Which is more "Brooklyn like" type of density than what is currently there.

What I am most interested to see is how DC will maximize density and possibly expand Metro in the city with or without relaxing some of its height limits. I believe they will have to raise the limits to some extent. This will be a true testament of how much times have "changed" in DC once we see an urban core twice as dense, with buildings two and three times the height of the current tallest buildings.

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Old 01-09-2017, 10:51 AM
 
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yall do realize that making the "EOTR" more dense requires practically bulldozing it simcity style right? unlike alot of people who speculate about that side of town on this board ive actually been over there and have spent significant time there. EOTR has alot of semi detached rowhouses public housing buildings and low rent apartment complexes. Sure demolishing public housing or buying out low rent apts and skyrocketing the rent is relatively easy.....to achieve the kind of density youre asking for would require you to completely demolish at least 60% of the existing housing stock and building tenement buldings bronx style......
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Old 01-09-2017, 11:06 AM
 
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yall do realize that making the "EOTR" more dense requires practically bulldozing it simcity style right? unlike alot of people who speculate about that side of town on this board ive actually been over there and have spent significant time there. EOTR has alot of semi detached rowhouses public housing buildings and low rent apartment complexes. Sure demolishing public housing or buying out low rent apts and skyrocketing the rent is relatively easy.....to achieve the kind of density youre asking for would require you to completely demolish at least 60% of the existing housing stock and building tenement buldings bronx style......
So what is the problem?
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Old 01-09-2017, 11:39 AM
 
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yall do realize that making the "EOTR" more dense requires practically bulldozing it simcity style right? unlike alot of people who speculate about that side of town on this board ive actually been over there and have spent significant time there. EOTR has alot of semi detached rowhouses public housing buildings and low rent apartment complexes. Sure demolishing public housing or buying out low rent apts and skyrocketing the rent is relatively easy.....to achieve the kind of density youre asking for would require you to completely demolish at least 60% of the existing housing stock and building tenement buldings bronx style......
You do realize this is exactly was has been done in the core right? Low-rise buildings have been redeveloped. Also, there are tons of vacant lots and buildings all over EOTR.
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Old 01-09-2017, 03:24 PM
 
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Also I believe DC's density is now just under 11,000, that number you posted was from 2010.
DC's new population density as of now, based on the new census estimates released in December, is 11,166- about the same as Philly.
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Old 01-09-2017, 04:24 PM
 
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DC's 2017 Hottest Housing Neighborhoods Prediction

http://dc.curbed.com/2017/1/6/141790...-woodridge-hot

Top 3 neighborhoods all across the river in Ward 7 and 8.
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Old 01-09-2017, 05:18 PM
 
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So what is the problem?
Thats going to take time.......alot more than people would like to admit. Youd be surprised how many of the semi detached rowhouses and small houses are owned by locals (mostly older folks who bought between 1960-2000). Eminent domain will be unlikely since theyre not plowing a highway or some other public works project through the area. to buy out the homeowners to sell youre gonna have to bring ALOT of money to the table to buy out most of those blocks. and then theres the bulldoze and rebuild process. Navy yard did this by demolishing the arthur capper homes but navy yard is a much smaller area; and yet its only NOW that the navy yard condo towers are just now being completed. I remember 10 years ago Navy Yard looked like a giant construction site! you bulldoze those blocks as well as the apt complexes most of SE will be a giant urban renewal project for at least 10-15 years with few people living there......inevitable obstacles will show up btwn cost overruns, as well as all the other hiccups that come with large scale construction.......unlike simcity its nowhere NEAR as easy to press delete, draw a zone and then buildings pop up within 5 minutes.....

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You do realize this is exactly was has been done in the core right? Low-rise buildings have been redeveloped. Also, there are tons of vacant lots and buildings all over EOTR.
the core was easier to build up bc it was already dense. alot of the new apt towers were built on abandoned parking lots (ie the area now called NoMA) so there was no residents to kick out or homeowners to buy out. Mid City was a giant brownstone district all the way to columbia heights and uptown from Petworth to Rittenhouse street was dense packed rowhouse blocks. you know good and well SE and Deanwood aint built like that (we argued this when we were discussing revitilization vs gentrification). Even the public housing complexes and low rent apt complexes are laid out more like an apt complex in say Columbus OH or Atlanta GA than a hi rise in NY City.....
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Old 01-09-2017, 05:39 PM
 
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Thats going to take time.......alot more than people would like to admit. Youd be surprised how many of the semi detached rowhouses and small houses are owned by locals (mostly older folks who bought between 1960-2000). Eminent domain will be unlikely since theyre not plowing a highway or some other public works project through the area. to buy out the homeowners to sell youre gonna have to bring ALOT of money to the table to buy out most of those blocks. and then theres the bulldoze and rebuild process. Navy yard did this by demolishing the arthur capper homes but navy yard is a much smaller area; and yet its only NOW that the navy yard condo towers are just now being completed. I remember 10 years ago Navy Yard looked like a giant construction site! you bulldoze those blocks as well as the apt complexes most of SE will be a giant urban renewal project for at least 10-15 years with few people living there......inevitable obstacles will show up btwn cost overruns, as well as all the other hiccups that come with large scale construction.......unlike simcity its nowhere NEAR as easy to press delete, draw a zone and then buildings pop up within 5 minutes.....



the core was easier to build up bc it was already dense. alot of the new apt towers were built on abandoned parking lots (ie the area now called NoMA) so there was no residents to kick out or homeowners to buy out. Mid City was a giant brownstone district all the way to columbia heights and uptown from Petworth to Rittenhouse street was dense packed rowhouse blocks. you know good and well SE and Deanwood aint built like that (we argued this when we were discussing revitilization vs gentrification). Even the public housing complexes and low rent apt complexes are laid out more like an apt complex in say Columbus OH or Atlanta GA than a hi rise in NY City.....
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There is a lot of vacant land and abandoned storefronts over in EOTR. So much of it are also by the Metro stations on that side. So no one would have to bulldoze any rowhomes on off streets. Look on MLK Ave, Good Hope rd, Penn Ave SE, Benning Rd NE/SE, Minnesota Ave Ne/SE, East Capitol St SE, Alabame Ave SE, etc. - and you'll see the vacant land or rundown/abandoned storefronts. Many of which, can be demolished and build into apartments with retail and/or class A office buildings. You're trying to make it seem like EOTR is impossible to be developed. I honestly would love to see class A office buildings and luxury apartments (with relaxed height limits - or not) near the Metro stations and other areas in EOTR.
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Old 01-09-2017, 08:12 PM
 
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Thats going to take time.......alot more than people would like to admit. Youd be surprised how many of the semi detached rowhouses and small houses are owned by locals (mostly older folks who bought between 1960-2000). Eminent domain will be unlikely since theyre not plowing a highway or some other public works project through the area. to buy out the homeowners to sell youre gonna have to bring ALOT of money to the table to buy out most of those blocks. and then theres the bulldoze and rebuild process. Navy yard did this by demolishing the arthur capper homes but navy yard is a much smaller area; and yet its only NOW that the navy yard condo towers are just now being completed. I remember 10 years ago Navy Yard looked like a giant construction site! you bulldoze those blocks as well as the apt complexes most of SE will be a giant urban renewal project for at least 10-15 years with few people living there......inevitable obstacles will show up btwn cost overruns, as well as all the other hiccups that come with large scale construction.......unlike simcity its nowhere NEAR as easy to press delete, draw a zone and then buildings pop up within 5 minutes.....
So what is the problem? It won't be fast? Who said it would be fast?

DC's height limit actually allows faster development because a 10-14 story building goes up a lot faster than a 30-80 story building (at least these days). I know the Empire State Building went up on one year, but that doesn't happen anymore.

How long do you expect these old people to live if they are already old? Many might need to move in with family or into nursing homes pretty soon. This is also not a "nice" part of town so if you offer people decent money a lot of them will take it just to get away from the crime and other decay.

I think it will be much easier than you think.
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