New Yorkers migrating to DC? (living in, malls, safe)

[tech2enable]

Originally Posted by 14thandYou

Yet again, no it is not just as expensive. Not even close. Not by any possible calculation. You are absolutely, incontrovertibly, flat-out wrong.

I am right, and the index is right and research, maybe you could argue against it.

You've "debunked" nothing. All you've done is furthered the egotistical New York stereotype that bigger and more of everything is better. Sorry, but it's not. I don't want to live in your city. Many people in DC do not want to live in your city. Hard to believe, I know. Because you've just got so much *stuff* up there.

I would argue that most people in DC don't want to live there or would rather live somewhere else had they had the money and connections but they are there for jobs and employment, talk to them and listen , even conservative laid back folks agree the same thing, I just had a conversation with someone who had work for a VA consulting management company, most folks agree the cost of living is disproportionate , you don't your money's worth, they are there for government jobs , work hard , make money but not enough money but better than not having a job, rich people have special assignments with the government. Perhaps talk to these people, they'll tell you the exact same thing.

The terrain and presence of malls doesn't help either especially in arlington,va and fairfax. I could add even further to this topic to really prove my point.

[14thandYou]

Originally Posted by tech2enable

I would argue that most people in DC don't want to live there or would rather live somewhere else had they had the money and connections but they are there for jobs and employment, talk to them and listen.

Which one of us lives in DC?

I think my opinion on this topic carries a bit more weight than yours.

[tech2enable]

Originally Posted by 14thandYou

Which one of us lives in DC?

I think my opinion on this topic carries a bit more weight than yours.

I think my opinion on this topic carries a bit more weight than yours.[/quote]

Not more than many other people who have expressed the same thing, on this forum and other related forums to city-data, its well versed and one need to know that, the argument is basically a repeat of what I've been saying, most people are there for the above reasons, and decide to put up with it, sure there are amenities and attractions which may help keep them there since otherwise be much more prone to leave, in fact that claim that I have made comes in no surprising matter, in these very posts and forums echoed about D.C.'s expensive housing and value.

[Bluefly]

What a perplexing argument. It just keeps moving around and around.

1. Why don't you properly quote text yet? I gave you explicit instructions and you continue to make it difficult on us. Why?

2. Nobody ever proved that the Metro is "secondary". You just say that after we both proved your claim wrong. For people who live in DC, it is a fundamental mode of transportation proven by the significantly higher cost of housing near Metro stops.

3. You still strike me as a suburbanite with a suburban view of the world and very minimal exposure to actual DC. You, again, give examples of some guy living out in Virginia who's there because of work and then extrapolate that to "people hate living in DC". I, too, have found that many more suburbanites really don't like living in the area because they endure all the negatives with few of the positives associated with DC's lifestyle. If someone were transferred to Edison, NJ and really hated it, would you say, "People hate living in New York City"? No, because that would be absurd since Edison, NJ isn't New York just as your VA consulting firm buddy wasn't living in DC. Yet, you continue to draw parallels between suburban DC and urban NY, which makes no sense.

4. Cost of housing is not inherently based on how much "stuff" is nearby. Think of all the beachfront properties or mountaintop properties with maybe a few bars, a grocery store, and a gas station nearby. Yet, they are expensive because of the location. So, your argument about "bigger is better" and somehow suggesting DC's COL is anywhere near NY's is just strange.

In fact, this whole debate is strange and I don't know where you're going with it anymore. I think it best we stop.

[Gil3]

Originally Posted by 14thandYou

Yep, and a lot of what you wrote sticks in the craw of the "New York is the center of the universe" crowd. To them, everything else is second-rate, and it is unfathomable why anyone would want to live anywhere else.

Which is not to say that NYC isn't a fabulous place--it is. But it's a markedly different city than DC, and certainly not inherently superior. Superiority, after all, depends upon what one is looking for.

For me, I love the international, cosmopolitan vibe that DC offers while not being overwhelmingly large. I love that I can take an evening stroll through a dense, urban neighborhood and not feel like I'm in a dense, urban neighborhood. I love the fact that we attract so many smart people who come here to do amazing things. I love that I don't have to be "on" 24 hours a day here. I love that it's such an architecturally gorgeous city. I love that, on practically any night of the week, I can catch a theater performance, drop in on a jazz show, and sit in on a lecture on the failures and successes of U.S. policy in southeast Asia prior to WWI--all free of charge. I love our fantastic museums and art galleries. I love that we don't have a Times Square. I love our gorgeous and pleasant neighborhood parks. I even love our clean Metro system, which is free of grafitti and trash, and doesn't have an offensive odor.

In short, this whole NY vs. DC thing is just silly and, I think, largely contrived by NYCers who, for whatever reason, feel the need to inflate their sense of self-worth by maligning a city like DC and all of its perceived "faults". I could never live in NY, even though I recognize why certain people would want to--something certain NYCers would be advised to consider about DC as well.

Excellent points!

[tech2enable]

Originally Posted by Bluefly

What a perplexing argument. It just keeps moving around and around.

1. Why don't you properly quote text yet? I gave you explicit instructions and you continue to make it difficult on us. Why?

2. Nobody ever proved that the Metro is "secondary". You just say that after we both proved your claim wrong. For people who live in DC, it is a fundamental mode of transportation proven by the significantly higher cost of housing near Metro stops.

The metro is secondary throughout the dc metropolitan area, I do agree that in this scenario its hard to make a more direct comparison, because the ny metro area is big, so we include the immediate surroundings and not so much the exurban parts, new york city's transport is a primary mover and not for people in manhattan.

3. You still strike me as a suburbanite with a suburban view of the world and very minimal exposure to actual DC. You, again, give examples of some guy living out in Virginia who's there because of work and then extrapolate that to "people hate living in DC". I, too, have found that many more suburbanites really don't like living in the area because they endure all the negatives with few of the positives associated with DC's lifestyle. If someone were transferred to Edison, NJ and really hated it, would you say, "People hate living in New York City"? No, because that would be absurd since Edison, NJ isn't New York just as your VA consulting firm buddy wasn't living in DC. Yet, you continue to draw parallels between suburban DC and urban NY, which makes no sense.

I am not in complete agreement with that person's views, he didn't like D.C. itself either and he's been to the parks and and he was a more outdoorsy laid back person, he agrees the cost is just as high as NY, and is disproportionate and not in simple bigger means better, in most urban areas land tends to be more expensive, in the D.C. are land is disproportionally priced, so much for bigger means better.

4. Cost of housing is not inherently based on how much "stuff" is nearby. Think of all the beachfront properties or mountaintop properties with maybe a few bars, a grocery store, and a gas station nearby. Yet, they are expensive because of the location. So, your argument about "bigger is better" and somehow suggesting DC's COL is anywhere near NY's is just strange.

I agree, and disagree, I never used the bigger is better argument so let's stop putting out something I never said, I fact I refuted that train of thinking when I mentioned Dallas, perhaps you should go back and read carefully, ,as for cost of housing, I do agree but I mentioned it is just as high as new york in part because people put up with it for jobs, regardless of the pay and high level of work, and of course government is less recession-prone, coupled in with D.C. amenities that help make people stick to do that, despite being of much less choice and variety so as to not have everybody move out.

In fact, this whole debate is strange and I don't know where you're going with it anymore. I think it best we stop.

It's not strange at all, I've encountered this topic quite a few times

[Bluefly]

Originally Posted by tech2enable

It's not strange at all, I've encountered this topic quite a few times

Why did you not answer my first question and then posted again in this chaotic format that is insulting to the rest of us? You skipped right over it. Answer it and FORMAT CORRECTLY! Selfish and rude.

As such, I'll just have to list numbers again since I can't separate out your statements:

1. As has been pointed out to you ad nauseum, New York's subway is also the secondary mode of transportation to anyone outside New York City (and even Manhattan) just like DC's metro is secondary to anyone outside DC. No difference besides a matter of size (which you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with. Perhaps it's a personal issue...) But, you are absolutely incorrect in your assertion.

2. Finding some guy in Virginia (again - THE SUBURBS, not DC) to say that cost of living is the same is not a scientific assessment. It's what we call "anecdotal". All scientific assessments demonstrate that DC, while perhaps overpriced, is not anywhere near the COL of NYC. You are absolutely incorrect in your assertion.

3. You consistently assert that NY is better because (according to you) you pay the same price and get many more choices. Read your own posts. That is the essence of the "bigger is better" argument, no matter what you think about Dallas. So, you are absolutely incorrect in your assertion.

4. The topic isn't strange - your arguments are strange and bewildering in their complete lack of evidiential foundation and your continued pounding on the same ideas even after they have been soundly refuted. I don't know if it's just stubborn pride at this point, but you are, broadly speaking, absolutely incorrect in your assertions.

Best to you. No need to respond or continue this. I know what you will say and how you will format what you say. I have no interest in dealing with either anymore and am too busy enjoying all the diversity, vibrancy, energy, and culture DC has to offer to continue dealing with your absurd claims about nobody wanting to live there.

[tech2enable]

Originally Posted by Bluefly

Why did you not answer my first question and then posted again in this chaotic format that is insulting to the rest of us? You skipped right over it. Answer it and FORMAT CORRECTLY! Selfish and rude.

As such, I'll just have to list numbers again since I can't separate out your statements:

1. As has been pointed out to you ad nauseum, New York's subway is also the secondary mode of transportation to anyone outside New York City (and even Manhattan) just like DC's metro is secondary to anyone outside DC. No difference besides a matter of size (which you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with. Perhaps it's a personal issue...) But, you are absolutely incorrect in your assertion.

I've already pointed out that half of new york's households don't own a car and use mass transit.

2. Finding some guy in Virginia (again - THE SUBURBS, not DC) to say that cost of living is the same is not a scientific assessment. It's what we call "anecdotal". All scientific assessments demonstrate that DC, while perhaps overpriced, is not anywhere near the COL of NYC. You are absolutely incorrect in your assertion.

Numerous real estate studies have shown that dc metro area prices are comparable to prices you would get for the typical middle management home in many new york metro areas.I've looked at the home prices themselves and what you get.

3. You consistently assert that NY is better because (according to you) you pay the same price and get many more choices. Read your own posts. That is the essence of the "bigger is better" argument, no matter what you think about Dallas. So, you are absolutely incorrect in your assertion.

Actually, its not - having more variety doesn't mean bigger is better, and variety is different from bigger, since there are many chain malls and strip malls in northern Virginia especially along the highways, one could make a claim about that area.You could also make the claim that since the DC area homes especially in the suburbs are more spread out, that you are really paying inflated prices for land, again how much would a 3000 or more square foot house in a great neighborhood with well rated schools with a lot size of atleast 8,000 square feet with walking distance to the metro cost that isn't detached $2 million, right? What about a 2-3 family home that isn't an apartment complex.

4. The topic isn't strange - your arguments are strange and bewildering in their complete lack of evidiential foundation and your continued pounding on the same ideas even after they have been soundly refuted. I don't know if it's just stubborn pride at this point, but you are, broadly speaking, absolutely incorrect in your assertions.

The difference between rhetoric/bias is that I have backed up my claims , I've provided the necessary data and research to back up my claim, now if you want to make an argument then you'll have to find a big better claim against it.

Best to you. No need to respond or continue this. I know what you will say and how you will format what you say. I have no interest in dealing with either anymore and am too busy enjoying all the diversity, vibrancy, energy, and culture DC has to offer to continue dealing with your absurd claims about nobody wanting to live there.

I am not sure what you are trying to specify, have you even read the above researched links and studies that have confirmed what I have been saying, another poster hadn't even answered any questions.

[dcsfanatic]

Go away already

[14thandYou]

Originally Posted by dcsfanatic

Go away already

He's not the most astute poster I've encountered here, and thus not very adept at taking hints.