Does anyone sometimes got annoyed that I-95 in MD doesn't go past the beltway? (credit, quality of life)

[Douglas Willinger]

"We've seen it from LA to Atlanta, Phoenix to Detroit, and choose to go in a more livable and sane direction."


TRANSLATION- we wanted to push it away to poorer communities to the east of the Anacostia and away from CUA and Masonic Eastern Star.

I definitely see an excellent class action suit upon environmental justice grounds- which I discuss in "A Telling Deletion".

[Bluefly]

Originally Posted by Douglas Willinger

Dude, I am quite familiar with the I-95 corridor and know that what you say is almost entirely truth-free.

You don't address what I say- leading me to ask, are you connected with any order of Masonry or Roman Catholicism? Again, let me provide the link even if you are not see it:

A Trip Within the Beltway: A Telling Deletion

Stopping DC I-95 is simply major entities being selfish and wanting to keep the traffic in the poorer areas.

Here's the link with my superior tunnel alignment:

A Trip Within the Beltway: I-395 Extension: A Superior Option

What you write sounds more like religious doctrine that is disconnected from reality.

If what you say were true, why did not any of the towns along the I-95 corridor say in NY have to be rebuilt as you claim?.

And I say to hell with Jerry's Brown's ridiculous religious order.

Ummm.... because those towns weren't major destinations. There's a reason the interstates don't go through Manhattan just like there's a very sound reason they shouldn't be built through DC.

Has nothing to do with race or class or keeping poor people out or whatever. It's the simple logistics of putting a highway where one doesn't belong.

Anyway, I don't know who you are or why you keep promoting your products (violation of TOS), but DC's chosen transit, mixed-use, walkable development. I've referenced research studies, and you label me some religious zealot. Whatever. It's good to have the Beltway around all that, but enough with highways in cities. They don't work for quality of life for any income bracket.

[Phyxius]

Bluefly, no one is asking for a inner loop. I feel that at least one or two highways does in fact help a city.

There was nothing wrong with the path I-95 was heading into with the exception of the portion past New York Ave or the Center Leg. 95 should of went along the proposed East Leg as the highway heads North out of the city. Those neighborhoods that 95 would of went through had it use the East Leg, they aren't developed. Not every neighborhoods looks like Dupont Circle.

Portland, OR have freeways in their city and they're listed as the most environmental friendly city in the nation and second in the world. That's because they planned carefully. They had freeways that didn't belong and got rid of them but kept the ones that served a purpose (I-5 that connects Portland with LA and Seattle) and a freeway to serve downtown. They give commuters options for transportation rather than shove it down their throats. They have their roads built to add support and options to public transportation. DC doesn't have that and not every commuter can ride Metro.

DC is simply sending the wrong message and using poor methods to get people to not drive by poorly design interchanges and horrible signings. That's not the way to go and there's need to be more than a Metro.

[rhinestone]

Originally Posted by Phyxius

Not true, the Beltway was designed as if I-95 was to go through DC. The Beltway ended up being forced to carry all of the traffic on the east coast combining long distance travelers with local traffic. The Wilson Bridge's lifespan ended up shorter and experience structural problems because of all of the traffic that was forced to be diverted on a highway that wasn't originally design for.

The old Springfield interchange also wasn't design to carry 230,000 vehicles today and resulted in traffic backups for miles. Had I-95 been completed in DC like it was suppose to, there wouldn't of been the need of all of this construction and widening the roads.

DC borders MD and VA, how can it not affect traffic in those areas? You keep bringing up Metro but yet there's still traffic in DC streets. You can't fit everyone and everything on Metro.

We've made our choice in the District. That's our right. You don't have to like it or agree with it. The decision isn't going to change. If anything the District is more against freeways today than in the 60s when the community rejected the failed notion of paving our neighborhoods.

[Phyxius]

Originally Posted by rhinestone

We've made our choice in the District. That's our right. You don't have to like it or agree with it. The decision isn't going to change. If anything the District is more against freeways today than in the 60s when the community rejected the failed notion of paving our neighborhoods.

Your choices are irrelevant. I proved you wrong and you know it.


I never said the decision of I-95 going through DC wasn't going to change although it's still possibly but unlikely to happen. I knew that beforehand. I also stated that the routed proposed in the 60's was poorly designed with the entire Inner Loop mess.

I-95 still could of went through DC with adjustments. Judging by the routing of the road and the path today, neighborhoods wouldn't of look no different had 95 was completed. Are you even familiar with the routing of I-95? Majority of the routes was cut and cover and parallel to the railroads currently in place.


I find that hard to believe that DC is against freeway being that they spent money to rebuilt the SE Freeway 10 years ago and now connecting the pieces of the Southeast Freeway with 295 along the new 11th Street Bridge that badly needs to be replaced.


I understand that DC made their choice but that was never the point.

[rhinestone]

Originally Posted by Phyxius

Your choices are irrelevant. I proved you wrong and you know it.

I'm not sure you know what a proof is, but you offered none. And As I said, THE DECISION IS MADE.

Originally Posted by Phyxius

I find that hard to believe that DC is against freeway being that they spent money to rebuilt the SE Freeway 10 years ago and now connecting the pieces of the Southeast Freeway with 295 along the new 11th Street Bridge that badly needs to be replaced.

The things that you find "hard to believe" are obvious to the most casual observer. Repairing a structure is just a maintenance decision and the obligation of the city. What's hard to believe is people who can't see that the city funds subways and streetcars today, BUT NOT FREEWAYS.

As I said the decision is made.

[Phyxius]

Originally Posted by rhinestone

I'm not sure you know what a proof is, but you offered none. And As I said, THE DECISION IS MADE.


The things that you find "hard to believe" are obvious to the most casual observer. Repairing a structure is just a maintenance decision and the obligation of the city. What's hard to believe is people who can't see that the city funds subways and streetcars today, BUT NOT FREEWAYS.

As I said the decision is made.

I prove to you that DC did in fact impacted Maryland and Virginia in traffic. You had no further comment on the issue.

You should actually read a post in it's entirety instead of reading what you want to read. I've already mentioned that I know there weren't going to be any changes.

[rhinestone]

Originally Posted by Phyxius

I prove to you that DC did in fact impacted Maryland and Virginia in traffic. You had no further comment on the issue.

It's a "so what" and not DC's problem. That's Maryland and Virginia's problem. BTW Maryland and Virginia place a much greater cost on the District than the other way around. In any jurisdiction other than the District of Columbia which is ruled by Congress, workers would pay income taxes where they work. DC hosts several hundred thousand workers who pay no taxes, yet use city service. Maryland and Virginia owe us, not the other way around, sweet pea.

Originally Posted by Phyxius

You should actually read a post in it's entirety instead of reading what you want to read. I've already mentioned that I know there weren't going to be any changes.

Then stop whining.

[Phyxius]

Originally Posted by rhinestone

It's a "so what" and not DC's problem. That's Maryland and Virginia's problem. BTW Maryland and Virginia place a much greater cost on the District than the other way around. In any jurisdiction other than the District of Columbia which is ruled by Congress, workers would pay income taxes where they work. DC hosts several hundred thousand workers who pay no taxes, yet use city service. Maryland and Virginia owe us, not the other way around, sweet pea.

Then stop whining.

DC also took part in the building of the Beltway. DC, MD, and VA all came together with a highway plan that include the Beltway and I-95 along with Metro.

I'm not whining, I'm giving reasoning. Read the topic of the thread. It would be vague to just say it's annoying and not give any reasoning why. Do you know the purpose of an argument or a debate? You gain information and to have a better understanding. Since you have trouble doing both, I will no longer reply to anything you post regarding the topic.

[rhinestone]

Originally Posted by Phyxius

DC also took part in the building of the Beltway. DC, MD, and VA all came together with a highway plan that include the Beltway and I-95 along with Metro.

I'm not whining, I'm giving reasoning. Read the topic of the thread. It would be vague to just say it's annoying and not give any reasoning why. Do you know the purpose of an argument or a debate? You gain information and to have a better understanding. Since you have trouble doing both, I will no longer reply to anything you post regarding the topic.

I've been trying but unsuccessful at adding to your education Phy. As they say, "You can lead a horse to water...."

And actually DC had little or nothing to do with the beltway. None of it crosses DC and is therefore out of DC jurisdiction. Regardless of the path taken by I-95, Maryland and Virginia would have built the beltway. They love roads, as you do. Your failure is the inability to understand a urban perspective on highways, which is they are eyesores that detract from the community.