10-05-2012, 06:39 PM
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Hi all,
Just found this thread - some of which is kinda old (2007-8), anyone care to update? Anything change that much?
I currently live in Hawaii and am looking for a place to retire - definitely can't afford Hawaii on a social security check - and have always wondered about the SJIslands. I like the outdoorsy lifestyle.
Part of being a "small community" is the knowing/caring about/helping your friends and neighbors, but another part is the downside of, as one poster put it, people being "sheltered," "immature," and "knowing nothing about the real world?" I think that kind of comes from being in a limited geographical area and close to parents/relatives all the time - so you don't really have to grow up and mature because they can always save your okole if you get in trouble. I don't mind people not knowing what's going on in the "real world" -- hey, we're not all connected to a computer 24/7 - but I really don't like the insular way of thinking that's very prevalent in Hawaii. They dislike haoles (can't tell you how many times I have been the most qualified applicant but didn't get the job because I'm white and not "local"), and, although I am lucky to have friends of many different ethnicities, as a stranger, you are always treated badly unless you stay in the tourist areas. There's a lot of prejudice here, unfortunatly. Is that true in SJIslands also?
What's the cost of living like? I have a condo in Honolulu that I would sell for approx. $300,000 - would that buy a decent house? I want a yard again!
Any insights would be appreciated. Thanks.
I live in the San Juans part of the year ... and in Hawaii part of the year ...
You can find houses for $300K in a few spots, but they will be modest, at best.
That said, I can find houses in Hawaii for well under that, as well, in certain areas ...
yes, rural -- but so are all the San Juans.
No, you won't find any prejudice in the San Juans as a new arrival.
That said, I don't have any trouble in Hawaii -- although I understand the attitudinal influences you mention.
Cost of living differences?
I am a minimalist, so I live cheaply wherever I am ... but I could live a pretty normal lifestyle in Hawaii for about the same as in the San Juans. The SJ islands are close to the mainland compared to Hawaii, but food and gas is higher than mainland, just as in Hawaii -- and selection more limited. There are heating expenses most of the year, as well.
Don't know where you are in Hawaii, but there is more to do on any island there -- except Lanai and Molokai -- than anywhere in the San Juans ... I speak of both cultural and outdoors activities ... although boating is a bit easier about half the year in the San Juans.
You DO know how dismal the weather is in the NW, right? You can't count on any nice weather more than about 4 months out of 12. Seriously. I have loved it here anyway for 40 years, but, now retired, I spend more and more of my year in Hawaii (and California) to escape the dismal, depressing, elephant-arse gray skies and chilly - cold damp.
Bottom-line: if you can enjoy living rural in the San Juans, you can live rural in Hawaii (Big Island style) for pretty similar budget.
Also: don't know if you need to find employment, but it is actually easier to find a job in Hawaii than in the San Juans.
10-05-2012, 06:51 PM
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My wife and I currently live in Portland, Oregon. She's from the Big Island of Hawaii, and it's long been our dream to retire there in a few years. We recently got back from a vacation on Orcas Island, and it's the first place we've been to that's offered some serious competition to the BI. Orcas feels a lot like the BI to my wife: slow pace of life, friendly and and happy people (the ones we met, anyway), incredible natural beauty, peace and quiet, and many outdoor activities. We had some extended conversations with locals, and were told that, except for families that have lived there for a long time, nobody just "ends up" living there, because you have to take a ferry to get there, and there are few jobs. The people who move there make a conscious choice to do so, and have to be willing to make sacrifices. That, too, is similar to the BI. Orcas has attracted a lot of people who are involved in the arts, so there's more of a cultured and educated feeling than you find in many small, rural locations elsewhere.
The drawbacks are what you'd expect: almost no jobs, lack of diverse things to do when compared to a big city, lack of places to shop, higher cost of living than on the mainland, and summer crowds and congested ferries. We also didn't see any inexpensive places to eat. There were no fast-food or chain restaurants, and pretty much every place we saw was "PNW gourmet" – all of which is great, except for the hit on your wallet. If you lived there, you'd probably want to do most of your own cooking to save momey.
We were perusing the real-estate ads, and we saw a number of places for under $300K, but we didn't look at any and thus couldn't comment on their condition. During the housing boom a few years ago, we saw very little for under $600K. There seems to be plenty of land without houses for sale right now.
I can't comment on prejudice toward outsiders. Everyone we met ranged from friendly to extremely friendly. However, that's been my experience during my many visits to Hawaii, too. I'm a mainland haole, but I suspect having a Hawaiian wife and extended ohana has worked in my favor. Yes, I've experienced some rudeness there, but far less than I experience on the mainland among what are ostensibly my own kind. My wife has experienced far more prejudice on the mainland because she looks "ethnic" and speaks with a funny accent. People on Orcas were fascinated by her background, though. I've heard that there's some tension between full-time residents and vacationers because of the summer crowds, inflated housing prices caused by rich outsiders buying property, and a lack of respect shown toward the locals and their property – again, very similar to Hawaii.
My boss's family comes from the San Juans, and she thinks it's a great place to retire, although she admits to being biased. My wife and I plan to visit the other islands, as well. Hawaii wins when it comes to great weather and warm, swimmable ocean. The San Juans win when it comes to proximity to the mainland. For most other things, it's a draw.
10-05-2012, 07:06 PM
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... We were perusing the real-estate ads, and we saw a number of places for under $300K, but we didn't look at any and thus couldn't comment on their condition. During the housing boom a few years ago, we saw very little for under $600K. There seems to be plenty of land without houses for sale right now...
There has always been a lot of "land" for sale on Orcas ... and most of the lower priced lots aren't real desirable ... don't be fooled by ads, of course ... and building permits and restrictions are considerable (especially compared to BI!
) ... so, no easy snap there either (I built my place alone, from scratch, my own design and plans -- nightmare dealing with the "authorities")
Yes, housing prices took some hit in the SJ islands, like anywhere else ... but not as much of a hit ... it's NOT cheap ... but you can find a modest place or fixer here and there.
"Cultural life" differences? More access to sophisticated cultural venues? If you define "sophisticated" as Euro-centric, yeah -- but you're still going to have to go mainland for much of that. Definitely true that all the San Juans are loaded with artsy folks, though ... so, if your interests and comfort zone run stronger with Euro-centric art and social styles, then, yes, the SJ Islands have more to offer.
And then there's the weather
10-08-2012, 01:25 PM
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Not to redirect this thread - well maybe just slightly - you advise the weather is pretty dreary 7 or 8 months out of the year in the Orcas. Would that apply to the Gig Harbor/Fox Island area as well based on your experience?
Ack - nevermind. I did a search (obvioulsy should have done that first) and found my answer. Maybe we need to do like Nullgeo and have multiple locales and enjoy the best of several states!
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11-02-2012, 01:19 PM
Location: Embarrassing, WA
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^^^
This is very common, we have a large number of retired folks that head south for 4-5 months out of the year to get away from the drippy dreary weather.
Wish my job would let me do that.
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All this talk about dreary weather. Isn't the southern half of the islands including a lot of SJI and all of Lopez Island in the Olympic Rain Shadow?
09-21-2014, 08:16 PM
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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All this talk about dreary weather. Isn't the southern half of the islands including a lot of SJI and all of Lopez Island in the Olympic Rain Shadow?
Yes, but that doesn't mean it's cloudless and sunny! Just less rainy, with a few more sunbreaks in the clouds.
09-21-2014, 08:55 PM
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Yes, but that doesn't mean it's cloudless and sunny! Just less rainy, with a few more sunbreaks in the clouds.
Thanks for the quick reply. Will be returning to the area next year for my 25th wedding anniversary. Will be staying on orcas island and sequim. Maybe one other place, maybe Coupeville area. Want to experience a variety of locales in the area and experience the advantages and disadvantages of being on island to live for retirement. Any suggestions?
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People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)