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Old 02-02-2012, 02:02 AM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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Yes thank you. As we all know there was nothing more pressing she or the 28 senators could have been doing with our time..
There are many citizens of this state who felt that this WAS a good use of their time.
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Old 02-02-2012, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Stumptown
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From the OP: "especially based on individuals aspects pertaining to Washington state"

(I have no idea what that means, so I'll just post this, which will probably be removed anyway, since it is insufficiently pro-gay, and this is, after all, the uh, Washington Forum)

"Washington -- aka King County and the Ignorant Hicks, Chapter 101."

So our urban metrosexuals promulgate another abomination and fixate on yet another trivial issue that will divide and embitter us for generations to come. This is just what our representatives should be doing -- at a time when our economy is floundering and education remains seriously unfunded, though mandated in the state constitution -- redefining marriage as the wedding of any two adult humans!

Which begs the question: why just two? Why only adults? And why only humans? It's all just a joke, anyway. Right?

Sheer idiocy like this calls into serious question one's faith in representative democracy. It certainly makes Washington an even less congenial place for anyone in their right mind.
Is this post a joke? Polygamous marriages were legal in the United States before in the 19th century. Various cultures and societies, including Christian and Jewish societies, have recognized polygamous or polyandrous marriages. At one point in the U.S., women were men's property in marriage and the races couldn't intermarry. So why only humans? Why only adults? Because non-humans and children cannot give consent to a legal agreement such as a marriage.

Marriage equality is only an abomination if you belong to *certain* (not all) regligious groups. We have separation of government and religion in this country that protects religions from government influence and vice versa so that all may practice freely. It is for this reason that a few small, conservative Christian groups should not be allowed to dictate what the rest of the state does in the legal, public sphere. Nor should that group be discriminated against for disagreeing with others.

Ask any member of Generation Y and they will tell you that your line of thinking is the real abomination. It is said that the radical thinking of one generation is the common sense of the next. Civil rights and equality in the civil sphere are just common sense to us. So much for embittering people for generations... Probably around 80% of people under 30 support this kind of legislation, and I'm sure our children will have about 99.9% support for this.

But things being what they are, we will have a referendum vote on this issue. And since the majority of Washingtonians support marriage equality, I believe it will be upheld in November.
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Meth capital of the world.
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This WILL pass...... and be just one more issue that makes the divide between the two sides in country bigger and bigger.
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Old 02-04-2012, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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And you guys wonder why the rest of the state hates Seattle.
If the rest of the state hates Seattle so much because of this so-called "lack of representation", how about the rest of the state stop whining and get up and do something about it?
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Old 02-05-2012, 12:31 AM
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Location: New Mexico
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And you guys wonder why the rest of the state hates Seattle.
Bitter? Party of one? There's a table for you to be seated at in the dark corner. Would you like me to bring you some lemons?
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Old 02-05-2012, 04:33 AM
 
Location: Stumptown
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If the rest of the state hates Seattle so much because of this so-called "lack of representation", how about the rest of the state stop whining and get up and do something about it?
I might add that I get sick of this argument being used by people in Eastern and Southwest Washington that Seattle decides everything for the state (the same well-worn argument is used in Oregon with Portland). Well duh... We have proportional representation... Most of the state IS Seattle because that's where a majority of people in this state live (Pugetopolis). Should the 1,500 people of Pomeroy have the same weight to their representation as the FOUR MILLION people living in the Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia region? No. Should the vote of one Washingtonian equal that of any other? Yes, of course. And since that's the case, in any statewide vote, Seattle is not really deciding any statewide issue all on its own. There are crazy liberals in Garfield County voting for an initiative and there are crazy conservatives in King County voting against that same initiative and vice versa as it applies to all parts of the state, just in different proportions in each place. In this way every vote counts.
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Old 02-06-2012, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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I might add that I get sick of this argument being used by people in Eastern and Southwest Washington that Seattle decides everything for the state (the same well-worn argument is used in Oregon with Portland). Well duh... We have proportional representation... Most of the state IS Seattle because that's where a majority of people in this state live (Pugetopolis). Should the 1,500 people of Pomeroy have the same weight to their representation as the FOUR MILLION people living in the Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia region? No. Should the vote of one Washingtonian equal that of any other? Yes, of course. And since that's the case, in any statewide vote, Seattle is not really deciding any statewide issue all on its own. There are crazy liberals in Garfield County voting for an initiative and there are crazy conservatives in King County voting against that same initiative and vice versa as it applies to all parts of the state, just in different proportions in each place. In this way every vote counts.
It's this way with Denver and Colorado as well. The rest of the state sees the Front Range as controlling... but that's the way it is because that's where most of the people are. They should deal with it.
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Old 02-08-2012, 04:53 PM
 
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Now onto Gregoire: Washington state House approves same-sex marriage | Strange Bedfellows — Politics News - seattlepi.com
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Old 02-08-2012, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Chicago - Bucktown
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Just wanted to come here and say congratulations Washington!


Oh, and living in Chicago, I definitely can relate when the rest of the state whines about how *insert big city here* supposedly controls the whole state.
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Norwalk, CT
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Excellent news and a major victory for the gay community and civil rights.
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