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Old 03-25-2012, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Idaho
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I am considering moving to Western Washington and looking at different areas. I know I cannot afford to live in Seattle, nor do I really want to be stuck right in the city, as any desirable part of the city would, once again, be way off the charts of what I can afford. I have heard Everett is a lot cheaper and I like how it appears closer to more of the beautiful mountain recreation and forests east of Mt Vernon. What I am wondering though, is Everett a bad neighborhood with a lot of crime? I can see the prices are quite a bit less and I have read from other posts here that it is dumpy and has a lot of property crime and poor neighborhoods. I guess some may think of it as Tacoma-North. I don't know exactly, but would like a sober and realistic consensus from people here there opinions about Everett. I have heard nothing but gripes about Marysville to the North here from city-data posts, so I am assuming that is a place that is best to avoid.

I am also considering Mount Vernon, but it seems to be a bit isolated and that you have to drive quite far to get to anything sizable. Being a bit on the younger side, early 30s, I think I would feel out of place there, as it must be a family community with older, married peoople. However, Mt Vernon seems desirable because it is so close to the mountains, which I desire to hike in two or three times a week, if I can.

Anyway, I'd appreciate to hear people's honest opinions. I would say as of now, my price range for an apartment/duplex or whatever would range from $650-$850. I am not sure what is available that is not slum-like in that price range. Would people think Mt Vernon would be a lot cheaper and safer than Everett?
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Old 03-25-2012, 09:09 PM
 
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No, to your original question.
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Old 03-26-2012, 02:04 AM
 
Location: Arvada, CO
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A second no here, Everett was my second home growing up.

It's only ghetto if you're a snob. Like every city of its size, it's going to have its unsavory parts, but 95% of it is perfectly safe, and should be acceptable for most people.

I would never pick Mt. Vernon over Everett (the proximity to Seattle is almost enough of a reason). There are plenty of safe areas everywhere, safety should never be a reason to completely avoid cities the size of Everett IMO.
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Old 03-26-2012, 07:18 AM
 
Location: East of Seattle, originally from SF Bay Area
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I have yet to see a real ghetto in western WA, at least compared to places like Oakland or Los Angeles. Everett does have it's sketchy areas where I would not recommend living, but if you do the research and avoid them there are plenty of safe places to live there. Avoid the large apartment complexes on Casino Rd, which look OK but get many visits from the police all hours of the day and night. Overall Everett has one of the highest crime rates in the state but it is concentrated in certain areas.

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Old 03-26-2012, 01:28 PM
 
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Everett definitely has a lot more nightlife than Mount Vernon, but MV isn't really out in the sticks - it has a large shopping complex that caters to pretty much everything. It's nicer than Everett in some respects, and only really lacks the music venues and such, but Everett is so much closer to Seattle if you are into a wide range of stuff like that. Have you looked into Bellingham? It is a college town so might have more of what you are looking for.
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Old 03-26-2012, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Alamogordo, NM
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I have lived in Everett and it's all right, you just have to live with common sense and you'll be all right. I liked living in Stanwood better, but you'll have a 15-20 minute drive up north on I-5 from Everett in order to get there. And I have done the Burlington gig, too, and found it to be fine. We bought a house in Burlington and sold it in 3 weeks back in 2003. And we bought a house in north Everett and it took about a month to sell. It sold on October 31, 1997, IIRC. We then moved up north and bought that rambler in Burlington.

Just pick your spot in Everett, it can close in on you a bit, I preferred the more country setting of Stanwood over Everett myself, but, you can do the Everett thing. Crime is present there but you should be all right. You really never know completely about crime, though.
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Old 03-28-2012, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Idaho
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What specific parts of Everett can I find an apartment/duplex for under $850/mo? North, South, West, East?? Which to absolutely avoid and which to look for in the $850 and less price range. A duplex is what I desire most for accommodation. What areas would have the lowest amount of property crimes? Property crimes are my main concern. I am aware that violent crimes are not high in almost any parts of the Pacific Northwest. I did live in Felony Flats area of SE Portland (82/Flavel) which was probably one of the worst parts of the Pac NW you could live in during the 90s and early 00s. Had my car stolen and heard gun shots at night, not to mention there was garbage everywhere, including used syringes. The constant high speed police chases in the area also were annoying. I really hated that area and would want to avoid moving back into an area like that.

What parts of Everett are clean, safe and quiet? The proximity to Seattle and also the Northern Cascades is a great advantage.

I would like to investigate Stanwood, I have not heard of that town. I've heard of Burlington , but don't know much about it. Mt Vernon does seem a bit isolated. The proximity to the outdoor recreation, however, does give it a bit of an edge to Everett.. However, I would be spending more time being a city slicker, then venturing in the woods. Even though I lie to myself and say, I will go hiking 2/3 days a week, I know in reality, it may be once a week or less.

Bellingham is on the top of my list now, and actually Everett is the second. I am debating if I want to live in a small town like Bellingham. I suppose Bellingham is only 50 min + border crossing time from Vancouver, BC, which is an advantage. Bellingham I am also thinking may be a younger town due to the college and , even though I am in my mid 30s almost, I don't mind mingling with people who are a bit younger. The dilemma of living in Boise is people are too old or too young. People in my age group (20s-30s) are very cliquish, due to the lack of people in my age group.

I would like being near Seattle, but price is the main issue. Also, Bellingham has amenities that I like, next to Mt Baker and other outdoor activities, lots of hiking trails right in town, two shooting ranges next to the town. The shooting ranges around Seattle are all capped out for members, which absolutely sucks for a city of 4+ million. Bellingham has two ranges that are equally good, but have no member cap. This is a big deal for a shooting hobbyist like myself.

There are some other places I need to learn about, including Mukilteo, Granite Falls, Burlington and Arlington. I am assuming some of these places may not be so desirable or beyond my price range.
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Old 03-28-2012, 11:21 PM
 
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Have you spent any amount of time in Western Washington? It's amazing, yes, however, if you aren't used to the rain and cloud cover then it can be quite a shock. If you can spend some time there during the rainy season it might be a wise idea and after that if you still love it, go for it. Snohomish County can be a bit pricey as well as King County. Have you considered Pierce or Kitsap counties? Lots of hunters living in the country areas of Pierce County. Must be a reason for that? Pierce County isn't just Tacoma, Puyallup is a nice little area, growing but close to Mt. Rainier. Cost of living is cheaper in Pierce. I mean, I love all of the areas, they are truly amazing. If crime is an issue, avoid White Center and parts of the southside of Seattle are starting to rise in crime, Renton and Tukwila. Tacoma is fine and so is Federal Way. There are areas in both cities that are nice and areas that could use some work. Rent is cheaper there. Honestly, if you have always lived in a small town environment, the city life might be a bit of a culture shock for you. However, move to Kansas City and some of the cities in the Midwest (like I had to for a while but am moving back home to Seattle next month) and you will wonder why you were so concerned about Seattle. There is an average of one murder per day in KC and we don't even live in the city, we live in Grandview. It's scary as hell here. White Center, South Seattle, steer clear of them and areas of Fed Way and Tacoma and you should be fine. We lived in Fairwood/Cascade, the annexed part of Renton and had a HUGE two bedroom nice apartment for $780 a month. I'm certain you will find something if you keep searching. Good luck and enjoy!
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:20 AM
 
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Thanks for the informative post lotr... Yeah I have heard about the crime in most of the cities throughout the US.. Some people say KC, stands for "Killer City". I know the crimes in many US cities are astronomical and I really am hoping I can relocate somewhere in Washington rather than having to move to the south or east coast for work. I am also thinking if things don't work out with my business, I may not be able to afford living in the Pac NW anymore and may have to go to Texas, Oklahoma or some other dust pit for IT work. I hope not!

As far as rain, you are talking to a guy who has lived over 20+ years in Western ORegon, including 4 years on the Oregon Coast, which rains more than Seattle. I am not one of those people who love the rain, actually I don't like it. But after 20+ years I have learned to accept it and rather have grey skies and greenery and beautiful mountains, than blue skies, and barren hills and sagebrush.

Hunting and Shooting Ranges are two different things. Just because there is lots of hunters, doesn't mean there is a lot of shooting ranges that are accepting new members. Some of these people who live in the wilderness, know places to shoot or have their own property to do so. Shooting areas in the wilderness are becoming harder to find. I have been told Seattle does not have many shooting ranges available. I hear there is a small one in Marysville. Worse case scenario, I will be stuck using an indoor urban range and do weekly trips to Bellingham to shoot, which would be over 2 hours from Tacoma area, I think. Cascade in Puyallup area is the best range and is capped out for the next year or two.

Snohomish county you say is expensive, but I have noticed that Everett looks affordable. It also appears that the South counties of the metro are farther from the wilderness areas I desire.. I was told the wilderness areas near Seattle are more crowded than up north, such as Baker wilderness. What do you think?

I will have to do more research, as I don't know so much about Pierce county. I checked for places in Enumclaw, Puyallup, but they didn't look particularly cheap to me and internet service seemed limited. I have internet biz, so high speed cable is important for me to have. I have to admit living next to Mt Rainier would be awesome! Although, I do fear it might blow up while I am there, as I hear it is an active volcano. I am just thinking though that I would prefer the wilderness to the north, such as Baker and the Northern Cascades to that of Mt Rainier, which I would think would be way more crowded. That is one thing I hated about Portland, was that all the wilderness areas from Cannon Beach to the Columbia Gorge were so packed with people, it was like being in Disneyland. I am trying to be near the city without being bombarded by city tourists when I go to the scenic, rural areas. That was one thing I loved about the Central Oregon Coast, 75F and sunny day in July and the beaches are empty. Cannot beat that. But yeah, it was very isolated. Too much for me.

You say Tacoma is Ok?? I was told Tacoma has the highest crime rates in the Pac NW. What parts of Tacoma do you think I should avoid or what parts do you think are safe and affordable? I am not familiar with Federal Way or Renton. Tukwila, somebody told me use to be very bad area.

Kitsap sounds like it would be too far away from mountain hiking. I am sure it would be great for those who love island life.
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Old 03-29-2012, 03:50 AM
 
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Snohomish county you say is expensive, but I have noticed that Everett looks affordable. It also appears that the South counties of the metro are farther from the wilderness areas I desire.. I was told the wilderness areas near Seattle are more crowded than up north, such as Baker wilderness. What do you think?
Well, yea... Seattle is a very populated area than up north so it would make sense... but at the same time there's a lot of places to go and there are many that aren't commonly known except to the people that live in that particular areas. So it actually depends on what areas you're talking about. I've never really felt overwhelmed by the "crowds"... if anything, I'd be more surprised if I bumped into more than 10 people. Even on Mt. Rainier... you can avoid the super touristy places and be where there's nary a soul.

King County is the most "expensive" county in the state, with Snohomish following behind. But of course, both have cheap/affordable areas-- and they're that way for a reason.

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I will have to do more research, as I don't know so much about Pierce county. I checked for places in Enumclaw, Puyallup, but they didn't look particularly cheap to me and internet service seemed limited. I have internet biz, so high speed cable is important for me to have. I have to admit living next to Mt Rainier would be awesome! Although, I do fear it might blow up while I am there, as I hear it is an active volcano.
I believe Enumclaw is actually part of King county... but its definitely out in the boonies. I can't believe Puyallup would have limited internet service given that a lot of people live there.

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You say Tacoma is Ok?? I was told Tacoma has the highest crime rates in the Pac NW. What parts of Tacoma do you think I should avoid or what parts do you think are safe and affordable? I am not familiar with Federal Way or Renton. Tukwila, somebody told me use to be very bad area.
Eh... Avoid South and Southeast Tacoma. That's really where the crimes happen-- and with Lakewood, it's what you see on C.O.P.s Popular areas are definitely the North Tacoma areas.

Tukwila has the high crime rate specifically because the huge shopping mall area (the biggest in the state, having over 5 million sqft!). But... it's nothing special as a community as while it is affordable, you could always live somewhere else with a little more community sense (like Burien or Normandy Park).

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Kitsap sounds like it would be too far away from mountain hiking. I am sure it would be great for those who love island life.
I take it you never heard of Hurricane Ridge? Or the Olympic National Forest? Or the Olympic Peninsula? Olympic National Park - Visiting Hurricane Ridge (U.S. National Park Service)

Kitsap County is a good sized one and not all on an island. I'd suggest Poulsbo... pretty rocking small town with.
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