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Old 11-13-2013, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Washington State. Not Seattle.
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I don't know if there is evidence or not. I'm no expert. I do feel that it makes common sense that when these type of events are announced, some drivers will think twice about drinking and driving. By default that does make the road safer. It's anecdotal, at best, but it also passes the common sense test. Also, they tend to get substantially more than one or two drivers. There are lots of police actions like this that would be deemed preventitive. Just because you can't measure the benefit doesnt negate their value. Do you know if it costs hundreds of thousands of dollars or was that made up for dramatic effect? I don't know what the cost is, but maybe you have some experience in that field. Bottom line is that this will likely happen and when it does, I'll feel better and I'll be far from alone. Meanwhile the naysayers will have one more thing to grumble and stress about.
Obviously, I made that up for dramatic effect. I don't have the facts, that's why I was asking. And, it's no more dramatic than the Hallmark-movie comments about "if even one life is saved..."
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Old 11-13-2013, 09:49 AM
 
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Well, then it's a good thing that this country is supposedly still a democracy and that guys' one vote should count to the same extent as the person who is level-headed enough to actually look at the facts and the economics of implementing something like this.

Yep, but your vote will count too.
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Old 11-13-2013, 09:59 AM
 
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Yep, but your vote will count too.
I apologize if I sound cold or heartless. I just get really tired of these so-called leaders legislating without knowledge of the subject matter. It is a horrible thing anytime a person loses a loved one to drunk driving, but blind emotion is not the way to create a better country. There has to be a line that can't be crossed when we are talking about individual freedom. Where is the line?

I still remember Diane Feinstein's reply to an audience question last year, about whether an assault weapons ban would make any difference, and she said (I'm paraphrasing) "Remember the children of Newtown. We have to do something".
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Bothell, Washington
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Appeal to emotion fallacy. Fail.

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No, it's an appeal to reality. The reality is that people died, and these kinds of check points can prevent loss if life. Are we so cold now that we don't even care if people continue to die, that our supposed freedom from checkpoints trumps the value of human lives? And if so, why not just end the ban on drunk driving if we think it is not worth the cost to enforce it?

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Old 11-13-2013, 12:34 PM
 
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No, it's an appeal to reality. The reality is that people died, and these kinds of check points can prevent loss if life. Are we so cold now that we don't even care if people continue to die, that our supposed freedom from checkpoints trumps the value of human lives?
Why don't we just punish drunk drivers more harshly instead? Why screw over everyone else? DWI laws are so pathetically weak. If you kill someone, you should be locked away for ever instead of being able to get in a car a few years later and kill some more.

We need tough punishment for those who hurt people while under the influence.
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Old 11-13-2013, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Bothell, Washington
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Why don't we just punish drunk drivers more harshly instead? Why screw over everyone else? DWI laws are so pathetically weak. If you kill someone, you should be locked away for ever instead of being able to get in a car a few years later and kill some more.

We need tough punishment for those who hurt people while under the influence.
I do agree with you 100% on that. Our laws on this are so very weak. I think one drunk driving offense should result in long term loss of license and even jail time. And actually hurting or killing someone should be treated very harshly. I don't know why we don't, it makes no sense!

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