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Old 05-07-2014, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Quimper Peninsula
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The Seattle Times article is a fine example of deceptive journalism.

At first it talks about King counties growth, then slips into bogus "naturally dying" BS>>

Just because a county has more deaths than births, does not mean it is shrinking in population.. If anything it sheds light on the age demographic.

I would not call the approximate 10% population growth of Clallam county dying..
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Old 05-07-2014, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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When was the last time they built a two lane freeway in the Seattle area? Look at 101 on the east side of Sequim...no off ramp going east and no on ramp going west.
How many people live in Sequim and how many in Seattle? You can't compare both.
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Old 05-07-2014, 09:56 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, originally from SF Bay Area
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The 101 road work is not so much for residents as for tourists in summer headed to the Olympic National Park. I am there many times a year, and from October to about May there really isn't enough traffic to justify any widening.
the current project may be short (Shore to Kitchen-Dick (my favorite street name) but with the fill and bridges involved it's still $60 million.
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Old 05-08-2014, 08:38 AM
 
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Unfortunately, "Seattle" is blind. They refuse to fix the freeway that passes through downtown to make it more like the segment that passes through Northgate. That's a mistake.

I consistently see people complaining about the in-rush of new people. And I frankly don't understand why people continue to accept a change that can be inherently good for the state. You need to get angry at the politicians that run things and their bureaucracy - growth is GOOD. Growth means more tax revenues IF DONE RIGHT.

The problem is that your leaders would rather focus on bike lanes and bus routes, even at the detriment of those who don't use those amenities. That's all they care about. They don't care to fix the freeway in suburban areas. They don't care to make remote areas more accessible. They don't care to build proper bridges to negate the need for ferries. And they don't care to ensure a proper road management system.

If you want to manage your farm out in the middle of nowhere you still can - there's tons of land in Fall City, Sammamish, Kingston, Monroe, Cle Elum, Pe Ell, Sudden Valley, etc. That won't change, because most migrants don't want to live there. It's either Seattle, the east or the south.

I will say that if I got a work-from-home position, I'd be all over Jefferson County. If for no other reason than to have a place that has no chance of interruptions or road noise.
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Old 05-09-2014, 10:06 AM
 
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Revelated, WSDOT would love to build a bridge across Puget Sound. They've wanted to do it since Black Ball got out of the ferry business in the 1950s. Someone just needs to give them $15 billion to make it happen. They also had plans for better freeways through and around Seattle, but the taxpayers didn't want to pay for those, either.

It isn't the leaders that don't have the plans - it is the taxpayers who won't give them the money. We could have an amazing transportation network here, but only if we tax ourselves to pay for it. The reason that so much money is spent on bike lanes and bus routes is because those are dirt cheap compared to bridging Puget Sound and adding freeways.
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Old 05-09-2014, 01:07 PM
 
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Every time they improve a road, people think "That's not too bad of a commute" and before long it gets clogged up by those people.
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Old 05-09-2014, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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Every time they improve a road, people think "That's not too bad of a commute" and before long it gets clogged up by those people.
so, let's stop improving roads and building new freeways because they will get congested and bumpy again some time in the future
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Old 05-09-2014, 01:53 PM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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so, let's stop improving roads and building new freeways because they will get congested and bumpy again some time in the future
No that is actually PRECISELY why more investment is needed in high capacity transit and not just huge, expensive, inefficient freeways that will ed in 10 years due to the concept of INDUCED DEMAND

(Look it up)
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Old 05-09-2014, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Quimper Peninsula
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so, let's stop improving roads and building new freeways because they will get congested and bumpy again some time in the future
Yes,
Because it is a FLAWED system... What would be better is dense population centers and public transportation.

"living in the burbs" and commuting is not a sustainable approach. LA has proven this. Pathetic sprawl for 100's of miles, 20 lanes of congested traffic and smog...

Think man use your head!.. Better ways to plan cities, better quality of life to be had.
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Old 05-09-2014, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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This is how cities in Europe and Asia are structured. People live in dense tall buildings and use public transportation. But most of the people in the US want to live in big houses with a lot of space and drive SUVs and trucks.
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