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Old 01-03-2008, 11:50 PM
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Default Back to your original reason for moving here:

I just wanted to pipe in my two cents worth. My wife and I also love the outdoors. We moved here thinking that we would have year round outdoor activities. I assure you what I have to say is no exaggeration: From October to early June - Rain. A few days of just cold and windy but for the most part, rain. We moved here from Texas expecting a "temperate" climate but it is a slog with the exception of about 3 months in the Summer (which are amazingly beautiful weather months by the way!).

Also, don't expect to find a condo anywhere here for much under $200,000 (small 1 br) and if you ever want a decent house expect to pay upwards of $300,000 (at the least). Yes, you will find a few exceptions in outlying areas but they are rare (or are mobile homes).

I post this not to slam or put down this area, I just want to be factual so you can make an informed decision. We received a "sunny" (haha), rose-colored batch of advice and we can't wait to leave. Why? Because we love the outdoors!
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:56 AM
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I can assure you that right now in Bremerton you can find a 2 bedroom 1 bath 800-1000 sq ft home with a water view for the 150k range that won't need much fixing,,,about 180k and you are good..There are some parts of Bremerton I don't want to be in,but nowhere that i feel unsafe...please look around check the MLS all the time...,east Bremerton Manette,Illahee area offers the most bang fo the buck,but the buck starts at about 200k for what you can get in West Bremrton for about 150K......5300 hours is a lot,but I made about 39k a year when I had 5300 hours but I also lived in St.Croix and flew back & forth to Puerto Rico all day,the pay there for most jobs is about 35% less than Stateside...I gave it up years ago.
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Old 01-04-2008, 08:02 AM
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I just wanted to pipe in my two cents worth. My wife and I also love the outdoors. We moved here thinking that we would have year round outdoor activities. I assure you what I have to say is no exaggeration: From October to early June - Rain. A few days of just cold and windy but for the most part, rain. We moved here from Texas expecting a "temperate" climate but it is a slog with the exception of about 3 months in the Summer (which are amazingly beautiful weather months by the way!).

Also, don't expect to find a condo anywhere here for much under $200,000 (small 1 br) and if you ever want a decent house expect to pay upwards of $300,000 (at the least). Yes, you will find a few exceptions in outlying areas but they are rare (or are mobile homes).

I post this not to slam or put down this area, I just want to be factual so you can make an informed decision. We received a "sunny" (haha), rose-colored batch of advice and we can't wait to leave. Why? Because we love the outdoors!
I spent two years in the Houston area and two years in the Dallas area and couldn't wait to leave Texas, I hated the heat and humidity and not being able to do much outdoors for much of the year.

In rarely rains hard enough out here to keep me from being outside, out here there is always something to do outdoors, even in the rainy winter months...
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Old 01-04-2008, 10:50 AM
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Hi Everyone!

We are currently living in Scottsdale,AZ. Both of us are big outdoors people and we really want to live in a place where we can do outdoor things year round. The summer's here in AZ have taken a toll on us... It didn't cool down this year until October!!! It is our dream to have a small house/cabin and beable to grow edibles!
We have been trying to reloctae to WA for approximately five years. The problem is the job situation. My boyfriend is a corporate pilot and breaking into the market in WA has been impossible. We've had a few bites here and there, but nothing ends up panning out. The "dream" position would be a corporate pilot for a company or family. If anyone has ANY info on ANY flying jobs, please let us know!!! Thank you so much for your help!!!
There's the BC Bud Air Express.....

You will love the PNW. A real outdoor person loves climate...wind, rain, sun, whatever nature has to offer is all good. We are all that!

Alaska is a short flight from here and is about as exciting as it gets for outdoor adventure, too.

Hey....I wonder if Alaska needs pilots...
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Old 01-04-2008, 10:52 AM
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Unless you're the witch from Wizard of Oz, I don't see how the rain keeps you from enjoying the outdoors. My dog and I run every morning, and have yet to melt from the rain.
I was out kayaking earlier this week...kayaks aren't harmed by the water. I understand that rain is uncomfortable for some (my wife doesn't like being out in it) but I also know that many (myself included) don't mind it. Gortex is wonderful stuff. You can enjoy the outdoors fully and stay dry as well.
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Old 01-04-2008, 11:55 AM
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There's the BC Bud Air Express.....

You will love the PNW. A real outdoor person loves climate...wind, rain, sun, whatever nature has to offer is all good. We are all that!

Alaska is a short flight from here and is about as exciting as it gets for outdoor adventure, too.

Hey....I wonder if Alaska needs pilots...

Thanks for your responses! Weather does not stop us!!! (Except 118 degree temps) We did our first trip to Alaska Sept. 2007- wow...it was awesome!!! We did not want to come home!!! We backpacked, kayaked and hiked a glacier..ate smoked salmon..... we are planning our next trip!! We were checking out jobs in Alaska--there are some..but most of them require "Alaska" time (understandable). He did have an interview w/ a company in AK,but the pay wasn't great--we couldn't afford to live there with what they were willing to pay! (low 30's)
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Old 01-04-2008, 11:58 AM
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Unless you're the witch from Wizard of Oz, I don't see how the rain keeps you from enjoying the outdoors. My dog and I run every morning, and have yet to melt from the rain.
I was out kayaking earlier this week...kayaks aren't harmed by the water. I understand that rain is uncomfortable for some (my wife doesn't like being out in it) but I also know that many (myself included) don't mind it. Gortex is wonderful stuff. You can enjoy the outdoors fully and stay dry as well.
hahaha! That was great!
I agree 100%!!!! That's what makes the outdoors exciting! You get out of your comfort zone and have an amazing time! I kayak fo the 1st time in AK and I cannot wait to do it again!!!!! My guy kayaks in WA everytime he visits!
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Old 01-11-2008, 01:09 PM
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Default Any pilots in the area w/ info?

Hey everyone-
Looking for local pilots with any possible info on pilot openings. Was flying contract out of BFI and looking to relocate to Pacific Northwest. Any leads would be greatly appreciated! I try to network everytime I am in the area and haven't had any luck thus far. Thanks in advance!!
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Old 01-12-2008, 11:20 PM
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Default Flying in the PNW, AIRPAC

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Hey everyone-
Looking for local pilots with any possible info on pilot openings. Was flying contract out of BFI and looking to relocate to Pacific Northwest. Any leads would be greatly appreciated! I try to network everytime I am in the area and haven't had any luck thus far. Thanks in advance!!
Hi,
Every few years I get nostalgic and do a search on some of the outfits I used to fly for, which led to this thread. I registered to pass on what outdated info. I might contribute. Much of this is old information. This is how it used to be:

I flew for AirPac starting in 1980 til about 84 or 85. Greg Thompson was the owner then, (still?) and Rick Smithheart the chief pilot (now a fairly senior captain for AA). Kind of a family operation, good people (no sarcasm)...... but no clue.

I started their BE-99 operation when they first got into turbines and for about 8 months was their only BE-99 captain. (They got a contract, then an airplane, I had previous experience in type, took a checkride with the local FSDO and off we went.)

Anyway, this is not a forgiving area for piston twins, which is were you would start, mostly night, mostly single pilot, NO autopilot IFR. This is were cert. tests for known icing take place and most of the time their anti ice was deferred. One night I landed at BFI and the kid from Galvan (FBO) measured a 16" plug that fell off one of my spinners. Again, at least back then owners and management were good folks, they just didn't live in the same world as the rest of us.

You have a fair amount of experience, indicating that you might survive this, but, I have more than twice your hours and am not sure that I would launch today on some of the missions I did when I didn't know better.

Have you considered other cities in the PNW? The Portland, OR area, were I live (actually in extreme south-west WA, just across the river) has less traffic, better streets, schools, neighborhoods and equally wonderful people and outdoor activities. Also lower Real Estate prices.

I'm not in the loop anymore with local job opportunities, but two that used to be first rate operators in Portland would be Flightcraft and Arrow Air.

Flightcraft used to be all Charter, but I hear they do a lot of corporate management now. When I was flying for them, they had tons of King Airs from 90 - 200 and just a few jets. ( Back then the jets were all under contract, many of which like ONB, Rainier Bank, WWP etc no longer exist.) Now I think they have several Challengers, GII/III and Beechjets for management and charter. Most people I knew there in management are now either dead or in nursing homes, except maybe Al Doughd or Abe Kardong.

Arrow Air in HIO, never worked for them, but they did all the heavy maintenance, hot sections etc, when I worked for the best operation in the PNW. (More following) They have a good mix of charter and management, turboprops - jets.

The best operation in the PNW: Executive Air in Wenatchee, WA (EAT). Flew for them in the mid 80's - 90's. Turbine Commanders 690, Cheyenne and LR-35. They have a lot more going on now. (LR-55, G-III/IV, Challenger). Should have stayed there and taken my lumps. (My wife didn't like EAT. As it turns out, the difference between the four stripe salary and staying was in the alimony.)
The Chief pilot there used to be Don Harter, but he is probably retired now (or worse), his assistant was named Vicky ----? (Can't remember her last name.) She was definitely a "lifer" and young, (then) so she should still be there. She's true as true can be. Also maybe Joe De'Pue. (If he's still there, he's in management now, the old suck up.)

Wenatchee would be a great place to live, and much cheaper than SEA. Lot's of outdoor stuff to do there, on the river, close to lake Chelan, Leavenworth, the Methow Valley etc. (Boating, skiing, snow-boarding, kajaking, fishing, hunting, hiking, Douglas county PUD((cheapest power in the country, due to the dams.)) and reasonable Real Estate.

In SEA so much has changed that I can' remember who might be useful to you as far as contacts. I knew Thad Mills when he left the Navy, we worked at Flightcraft together, and he went on to be chief pilot at Seattle Jet Center and then to Microsoft. He later became Chief pilot at Microsoft (when he started calling himself Thadeus), but I'm guessing he might be retired by now. I can't remember the name of the Nordstrom boys, and Rainier, ONB, ACME Concrete, Valley, etc all lost their airplanes in the 90's. I really thought I'd keep in touch and maintain contact, but time has a way.

In PDX, Bonneville Power used to have a great Flight Dept. The Chief pilots name was Milt K....?something. I'm afraid I didn't keep in very good touch.

Advice: SEA is not all it's cracked up to be. Consider PDX as and equal but better substitute, or a different location in Central WA/OR that's still connected with SEA. (Wenatchee, Moses Lake, Ellensburg, Redmond / Bend, Yakima, etc.

Best of luck and Godspeed
OBI
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Old 01-16-2008, 10:03 AM
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Thanks for all of the great info Jedi Master! I will check out those companies.
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